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Why Did God Kill Onan? Luther, Calvin, Wesley, C.S. Lewis, & Others on Contraception
Biblical Evidence for Catholicism ^ | Monday, February 09, 2004 | Dave Armstrong

Posted on 10/26/2014 8:08:35 AM PDT by GonzoII

Why Did God Kill Onan? Luther, Calvin, Wesley, C.S. Lewis, & Others on Contraception


Genesis 38:9-10: “But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother. 10 And what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he slew him also.”
It is an historical fact that no Christian communion sanctioned contraception until the Anglican Lambeth Conference in 1930. Protestant historian Roland Bainton states casually that the Church “very early forbade contraception” (Early Christianity, 56). According to The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, “many Christian moralists . . . repudiate all methods of family limitation” (Cross, 889). Ronald Knox eloquently recounted how Christians used to detest contraception:

Practices hitherto connected with the unmentioned underworld have found their way into the home . . . it is not merely a Christian principle that has been thrown overboard . . . Ovid and Juvenal, with no flicker of Christian revelation to guide them, branded the practices in question with the protest of heathen satire. It is not Christian morality, but natural morality as hitherto conceived, that has been outraged by the change of standard.

(Knox, 31-32)


Christianity (Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Protestantism alike) had always opposed contraception as gravely sinful. When I first learned of this in 1990 (as an inquiring evangelical pro-life activist curious about the “odd” and inexplicable Catholic prohibition) it was a shocking revelation to me and the first step on my road to conversion to Catholicism.

Today, probably upwards of 90% of Protestants and 80% of Catholics use contraceptives. It is a mortal sin in Catholicism, and used to always be considered an extremely serious sin in Protestant circles. How things change. The great Anglican apologist C.S. Lewis, for example, opposed contraception:

As regards contraceptives, there is a paradoxical, negative sense in which all possible future generations are the patients or subjects of a power wielded by those already alive. By contraception simply, they are denied existence; by contraception used as a means of selective breeding, they are, without their concurring voice, made to be what one generation, for its own reasons, may choose to prefer. From this point of view, what we call Man's power over Nature turns out to be a power exercised by some men over other men with Nature as its instrument.

(The Abolition of Man, 68-69)


Genesis 38:9-10 (about Onan) has been one of the main prooftexts traditionally used to oppose contraception. Observe how Martin Luther interpreted this biblical passage:

Onan must have been a malicious and incorrigible scoundrel. This is a most disgraceful sin. It is far more atrocious than incest and adultery. We call it unchastity, yes, a Sodomitic sin. For Onan goes in to her; that is, he lies with her and copulates, and when it comes to the point of insemination, spills the semen, lest the woman conceive. Surely at such a time the order of nature established by God in procreation should be followed . . . He was inflamed with the basest spite and hatred . . . Consequently, he deserved to be killed by God. He committed an evil deed. Therefore God punished him . . . That worthless fellow . . . preferred polluting himself with a most disgraceful sin to raising up offspring for his brother.

(Lectures on Genesis: Chapters 38-44; 1544; LW, 7, 20-21)
John Calvin, in his Commentary on Genesis is no less vehemently opposed to the practice (what would he think if he knew about the vast majority of Calvinists today who regularly contracept?):
I will contend myself with briefly mentioning this, as far as the sense of shame allows to discuss it. It is a horrible thing to pour out seed besides the intercourse of man and woman. Deliberately avoiding the intercourse, so that the seed drops on the ground, is double horrible. For this means that one quenches the hope of his family, and kills the son, which could be expected, before he is born. This wickedness is now as severely as is possible condemned by the Spirit, through Moses, that Onan, as it were, through a violent and untimely birth, tore away the seed of his brother out the womb, and as cruel as shamefully has thrown on the earth. Moreover he thus has, as much as was in his power, tried to destroy a part of the human race. When a woman in some way drives away the seed out the womb, through aids, then this is rightly seen as an unforgivable crime. Onan was guilty of a similar crime, by defiling the earth with his seed, so that Tamar would not receive a future inheritor.
The New Bible Dictionary concludes, on the other hand, “this verse does not pass any judgment on birth control as such” (Douglas, 789). The reasoning often used to overcome the force of the verse is that Onan was punished by God (with death) for disobeying the “levirate law,” whereby a brother of a dead husband was to take his sister-in-law as his wife and have children with her (Deuteronomy 25:5-10).

But that can’t apply in this case (or any other) because the same work informs us that the law “allows the brother the option of refusing.” Thus we find in Deuteronomy 25:9 that a sister-in-law so refused should “spit in his face,” but there is no mention of any death penalty or the wrath of God.

How then, can the New Bible Dictionary be so sure that the slaying of Onan by God had no relation to contraception? God didn’t command Onan in this case – another argument sometimes heard -- , so he wasn’t directly disobeying God (it was his father Judah who asked him to do what he didn’t want to do: Gen 38:8).

Whatever was “displeasing” to God couldn’t have been disobedience regarding the levirate law, since He allowed people to disobey it and recommended that they suffer only public humiliation, not death, which is not nearly as serious as being “wicked” -- the reason God slew Onan’s brother Er (Gen 38:7).

Moreover, the passage which teaches about the levirate law (Deuteronomy 25:5-10) is from God, as part of the covenant and the Law received by Moses on Mt. Sinai, and proclaimed by Him to all of Israel (see Deut 5:1-5, 29:1,12).

If God Himself did not say that the punishment for disobeying the levirate law was death (in the place where it would be expected if it were true), how can modern commentators “know” this? Can it be that their “knowledge” exists in order to avoid uncomfortable implications concerning a prohibition of contraception? Might there be a little bit of bias at play?

Yet the article on Onan in the same dictionary (the earlier comment was in the article, “Marriage”), written by the editor, J.D. Douglas, states:

Onan . . . took steps to avoid a full consummation of the union, thus displeasing the Lord, who slew him.

(Douglas, 910)

Douglas appears to contend that Onan was killed for the contraceptive act, not disobedience to the levirate law. If so, his opinion contradicts the view expressed in the other article by J.S. Wright and J.A. Thompson. The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary concurs:

. . . whenever Onan and Tamar had intercourse he would spill his sperm on the ground to prevent her from conceiving; for this the Lord slew him.

Onan’s tactic of withdrawing before ejaculation . . . costs him his life.

(Myers, 781, 653)

In its article on “Levirate Law,” we are also informed that “the brother had the option of refusing to take his sister-in-law in levirate marriage (652). The logic is apparent: if refusal alone was not grounds to be killed by God or by capital punishment issued by his fellows, then there must have been something in the way Onan refused which was the cause. This was the “withdrawal method,” a form of contraception (probably the one most used throughout history). Therefore, Onan was killed for doing that, which in turn means that God didn’t approve of it.

One might still retort as follows: “it is not contraception per se that was wrong in Onan’s case, but the fact that he wanted to have sex with the woman but not to have children. He had the right to refuse the levirate marriage, but once he agreed to it he was obligated to produce the children which was the purpose of it.”

I would agree with this hypothetical objection prima facie, but (upon closer inspection) I would add that it actually confirms the central moral point on which the moral objection to contraception is based: the evil of separating sex from procreation. It is precisely because the central purpose of marriage is procreation, that the levirate law was present in the first place. If one married, they were to have sexual relations, which was (foremost) for the purpose of having children.

If a husband died with no children, it was so important for children to be born that God commanded the man’s brother to take his wife after he died. But Onan tried to separate sex from procreation. He wanted all the pleasure but not the responsibility of fatherhood or to help perpetuate his brother’s family. He possessed the “contraceptive mentality” which is rampant today, even among otherwise traditional, committed Christians.

This is what is evil: an unnatural separation of what God intended to be together. If Onan didn’t want children, he shouldn’t have agreed to the levirate marriage. Once married, he should have agreed to having children. But he tried the “middle way” of having sex but willfully separating procreation from it. This was the sin, and this is why God killed him. Martin Luther understood the fundamental evil of contraception and the “anti-child” mindset:

Today you find many people who do not want to have children. Moreover, this callousness and inhuman attitude, which is worse than barbarous, is met with chiefly among the nobility and princes, who often refrain from marriage for this one single reason, that they might have no offspring. It is even more disgraceful that you find princes who allow themselves to be forced not to marry, for fear that the members of their house would increase beyond a definite limit. Surely such men deserve that their memory be blotted out from the land of the living. Who is there who would not detest these swinish monsters? But these facts, too, serve to emphasize original sin. Otherwise we would marvel at procreation as the greatest work of God, and as a most outstanding gift we would honor it with the praises it deserves.

(Lectures on Genesis: Chapters 1-5, 1536; LW, I, 118; commentary on Genesis 2:18)
The rest of the populace is more wicked than even the heathen themselves. For most married people do not desire offspring. Indeed, they turn away from it and consider it better to live without children, because they are poor and do not have the means with which to support a household. . . . But the purpose of marriage is not to have pleasure and to be idle but to procreate and bring up children, to support a household. . . . Those who have no love for children are swine, stocks, and logs unworthy of being called men and women; for they despise the blessing of God, the Creator and Author of marriage.

(Lectures on Genesis: Chapters 26-30; LW, V, 325-328; vol. 28, 279; commentary on the birth of Joseph to Jacob and Rachel; cf. LW, vol. 45, 39-40)
But the greatest good in married life, that which makes all suffering and labor worth while, is that God grants offspring and commands that they be brought up to worship and serve him. In all the world this is the noblest and most precious work, because to God there can be nothing dearer than the salvation of souls. Now since we are all duty bound to suffer death, if need be, that we might bring a single soul to God, you can see how rich the estate of marriage is in good works.

(The Estate of Marriage, 1522; LW, vol. 45, 46)
You will find many to whom a large number of children is unwelcome, as though marriage had been instituted only for bestial pleasures and not also for the very valuable work by which we serve God and men when we train and educate the children whom God has given us. They do not appreciate the most pleasant feature of marriage. For what exceeds the love of children?

(In Plass, II, #2834)
Let’s examine more traditional Protestant commentary on Genesis 38:8-9. Matthew Henry decries “the great abuse of his own body” and “sins that dishonour the body and defile it” which “are very displeasing to God and evidences of vile affections.” John Wesley actually quotes Henry, adds that Onan was abusing his wife, and concludes with this powerful condemnation:

Observe, the thing which he did displeased the Lord -- And it is to be feared, thousands, especially of single persons, by this very thing, still displease the Lord, and destroy their own souls.


Sources

Bainton, Roland H., Early Christianity, New York: D. Van Nostrand Company, 1960.

Calvin, John, Calvin's Commentaries, 22 volumes, translated and edited by John Owen; originally printed for the Calvin Translation Society, Edinburgh, Scotland, 1853; reprinted by Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, MI: 1979. Available online: http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment2/

Cross, F.L. and E.A. Livingstone, editors, The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2nd edition, 1983.

Douglas, J.D., editor, The New Bible Dictionary, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans Pub. Co., 1962.

Henry, Matthew [Presbyterian], Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible, 1706. Available online:
http://www.studylight.org/com/mhc-com/
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/henry/mhc.html

Knox, Ronald, The Belief of Catholics, Garden City, NY: Doubleday Image, 1927; reprinted in 1958.

Lewis, C.S., The Abolition of Man, New York: Macmillan, 1947.

Luther, Martin, Luther's Works (LW), American edition, edited by Jaroslav Pelikan (volumes 1-30) and Helmut T. Lehmann (volumes 31-55), St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House (volumes 1-30); Philadelphia: Fortress Press (volumes 31-55), 1955.

Myers, Allen C., editor, The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1987; English revision of Bijbelse Encyclopedie, edited by W.H. Gispen, Kampen, Netherlands: J.H. Kok, revised edition, 1975; translated by Raymond C. Togtman and Ralph W. Vunderink.

Plass, Ewald M., What Luther Says, an Anthology, two volumes, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959.

Wesley, John [founder of Methodism], Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible, 1765. Available (online)

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From my book: The Catholic Verses (published in 2004 by Sophia Institute Press)

For further fascinating exegesis of the Onan passage, see Fr. Brian Harrison's comments: “The Sin of Onanism Revisited."

Also of related interest: “Church History and Birth Control” (many full citations).


TOPICS: Catholic; History; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; birthcontrol; calvin; contraception; godsword; johncalvin; johnwesley; luther; martinluther; onan; scripture; thepill; wesley
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The shaming at the gate happened when the man refused to enter into the covenant of marriage. Onan entered into the marriage, but refused to carry through.


41 posted on 10/26/2014 11:13:36 AM PDT by odawg
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To: GonzoII

What is being discussed in all of chapter 38 ?

Chapter 38 seems to be about "can the will of man
interfere with the Patrilineal bloodline of Yah'shua".

Judah is the tribe of the first-born of Israel by assignment.

Judah has three sons.

The first(Er) displeases YHvH and is struck dead.

Onan(2nd) through the sin of PRIDE refuses to offer
his seed to Er for progeny for Judah
(levitical marriage)
He directly refuses to obey YHvH's Commandments.

Judah then told Tamar to wait for Shelah grew up.

Judah feared the third son would also be struck dead.
Judah failed to obey YHvH and to give Shelah to Tamar for an heir.

Tamar removed her widow's garments dressed herself
as a harlot to obey YHvH and produce an heir for Judah.

Thus continued the Bloodline to Yah'shua.

Which was being disrupted by haSatan and his sin of PRIDE in Onan.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

42 posted on 10/26/2014 11:29:07 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: metmom
>>Onan was killed by God for failing to fulfill his obligation under the Law to his brother’s wife.<<

Exactly. The morality of contraception can be argued but not on the case of Onan.

43 posted on 10/26/2014 11:36:54 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Oh, I wasn’t criticizing you riding in a car with a Unitarian. I just wanted to make clear you were not confusing those people with Protestants. They deny the Trinity and declare that everyone is going to heaven. They are enemies of all Christianity.


44 posted on 10/26/2014 11:37:17 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; metmom; GonzoII; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; daniel1212
>>It is not mentioned, but it can be reasoned out with reference to the goodness of God's design of male and female, and the wrongness of altering and rearranging this design at will.<

Then do that. But don't declare something not clearly defined in scripture on the misapplication of one verse.

45 posted on 10/26/2014 11:40:27 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
Onan(2nd) through the sin of PRIDE refuses to offer his seed to Er for progeny for Judah (levitical marriage) He directly refuses to obey YHvH's Commandments.

The punishment in Jewish law was public mockery. Not death. The fact that they went in graphic detail how he refused his duties shows it wasn't just the refusal that caused his death.

Deuteronomy 25:8-10
8 And they shall cause him to be sent for forthwith, and shall ask him. If he answer: I will not take her to wife: 9 The woman shall come to him before the ancients, and shall take off his shoe from his foot, and spit in his face, and say: So shall it be done to the man that will not build up his brother's house: 10 And his name shall be called in Israel, the house of the unshod.
46 posted on 10/26/2014 11:43:39 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: Sans-Culotte

Did Onan perform withdrawal from his brother’s wife, or was he busy loping his pony prior to the act?


47 posted on 10/26/2014 11:48:39 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("I am a radicalized infidel.")
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To: CynicalBear
It's not a misapplication, it's how the verses were read in every generation before the 20th century. Then, when people wanted to use contraceptives, the interpretation changed. Imagine that.

A good summary

"That Onan's unnatural act as such is condemned as sinful in Gen. 38: 9-10 was an interpretation held by the Fathers and Doctors of the Catholic Church, by the Protestant Reformers, and by nearly all celibate and married theologians of all Christian denominations until the early years of this century, when some exegetes began to approach the text with preconceptions deriving from the sexual decadence of modern Western culture and its exaggerated concern for 'over-population.' "
48 posted on 10/26/2014 11:52:58 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: Mrs. Don-o
We came to the the conclusion that contraception really launched our society off in the wrong direction, It is a choice against the normal and in favor of the subnormal. It is a choice against whole sex in favor of fragmented, functionally impaired sex. It is a thread which, if you cut it and then start pulling it out, necessarily unravels the whole sweater.

True, the Pill was a bomb that silently but negatively revolutionized society, producing selfish couples and spoiled selfish overprotected 1.8 children - and which are outnumbered by pets 4 to one. If you are going to be married, exercise temperance but have all the children God gives, practicing Mt. 6:33 to see needs met, while instilling sacrificial love and sharing and community.

The political ramifications of the Pill by conservative Christians has been to reduce their numbers in a changing demographic that will make it much more difficult for the few children they have.

Related:

A new report concludes that children growing up in large families are happier and more successful. Told you so, says mother-of-five Cassandra Jardine. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/3356892/The-bigger-the-family-the-better-says-Cassandra-Jardine.html

49 posted on 10/26/2014 12:00:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: DarkSavant
>>it's how the verses were read in every generation before the 20th century.<<

That length of time polemic is weak. The concept and practice of "queen of heaven" goes back to Babylon in the Old Testament. That certainly doesn't make it right for Christians.

50 posted on 10/26/2014 12:03:59 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: DarkSavant
U-2012>Onan(2nd) through the sin of PRIDE refuses to offer his seed to Er for progeny for Judah (levitical marriage) He directly refuses to obey YHvH's Commandments.

The punishment in Jewish law was public mockery. Not death. The fact that they went in graphic detail how he refused his duties shows it wasn't just the refusal that caused his death.

Deuteronomy 25:8-10 8 And they shall cause him to be sent for forthwith, and shall ask him. If he answer: I will not take her to wife: 9 The woman shall come to him before the ancients, and shall take off his shoe from his foot, and spit in his face, and say: So shall it be done to the man that will not build up his brother's house: 10 And his name shall be called in Israel, the house of the unshod.

Fascinating! But a total non-sequitur.

This occurs in Genesis,
which in my Tanach occurs
before Deuteronomy
in both time and space.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
51 posted on 10/26/2014 12:04:11 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: CynicalBear
That length of time polemic is weak. The concept and practice of "queen of heaven" goes back to Babylon in the Old Testament. That certainly doesn't make it right for Christians.

Don't you find it interesting how the verse got reinterpreted right when contraceptives became mainstream and accepted?
Don't you find it interesting how it took over 2000 years for people to properly understand the verse?
Don't you find it interesting how almost every Church Father apparently got it wrong?

In any case, it's not the only verse. Witchcraft is also condemned, which in ancient times included contraceptives.
52 posted on 10/26/2014 12:09:55 PM PDT by DarkSavant
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To: GonzoII
It’s hard to imagine but I think it needs to be said…. Wesley, Luther, Calvin, C.S. Lewis, J.D. Douglas, Matthew Henry and others really got it wrong about the passage of Onan. How could all these revered individuals gotten it so wrong? This passage has nothing to do with contraception except almost in an incidental or peripheral way to the story. And it also has nothing to do with masturbation…. thankfully that’s not mentioned in this article but Onan typically gets mentioned when the morality of masturbation is the subject. And this idea that sex is strictly for procreation also needs to be challenged because it is just plain wrong. And scripture that is applied wrongly is a tool of the devil himself.

Sex is the very definition of marriage….there are many types of relationships that exist amongst humans but only one that has sex as the distinguishing feature and that’s the sexual relationship between a husband and a wife. God created mankind with the intrinsic desire to have sex as a natural element that is woven right into the fabric of our physical, mental and emotional characters. He did not create sex to be a vehicle by which we could all be condemned because of desiring after something that is prohibited…he did not create humans to live lives which are filled with aching and long for something that is unattainable and thus we would have to exist in a constant state of self-denial. He created sex for a pure and perfect purpose…. to set the foundation of the institution of marriage itself which becomes the vehicle by which sex moved from the realm of being something that is absolutely prohibited to the realm of not only being encouraged, it’s completely mandated. If you don’t believe this (or you believe that somehow it’s only for the purpose of having children), take a look at the great marriage chapter which is 1 Corinthians 7:

1. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. It is explained elsewhere in scripture that if a man does not feel the need to have a wife, this is a good thing because he does not have additional burdens to deal with when conducting ministry.

2. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.This verse simply recognizes the nature of humanity is sexual and it is normal that we desire sex physically because God created us that way…. and marriage is the institution which God also has created so that sex can happen in a God approved way.

3. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.The sexual act as the defining characteristic of marriage is to be given by the husband and wife to each other freely as an obligation that is loving in nature.

4. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.The mandate to have sex in marriage is so great that if either the husband or the wife wants to engage the other sexually, the other meets that need willingly and without reservation.

5. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. As if to drive the point home from verse 4, the mandate for the husband and wife to have sex is so great that it is only superseded IF both the husband and wife mutually agree to take a break and ONLY for the purpose of fasting and prayer. And if one of the parties denies the other sex, it’s called fraud. Why? Because God created that desire for sex to be so strong that regular sex in a marriage strengthens the bonds of the marriage itself while denial of sex in a marriage exposes one or both of the parties to Satanic temptations.

Note that nowhere in this passage are children mentioned…. children are the outcome of sex, not the sole purpose of sex. Sex is the means created by God to establish and solidify the loving relationship between the husband and the wife so that if children are the result, they will be welcomed into a loving family that is doing things God’s way.

As for Onan, he was killed simply because he disobeyed God and God's laws…. and in so doing, he violated the holiness that God ascribes to the sex act between husbands and wives. How exactly was he disobedient? Onan disobeyed God on what ultimately was one of the 10 commandments…….Exodus 20:14 ‘Thou shalt not commit adultery.’ What is adultery? Well, we know that it is having sex with someone other than your husband or wife. Under normal day to day circumstances, a sexual act between Onan and his sister-in-law would be considered to be an adulterous act and absolutely prohibited by the above commandment….. however God in His infinite wisdom had created this one exception to the rule which is explained clearly in Deuteronomy 25:5-10 ……. “5. If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. 6. And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.” The exception to the rule would appear to be created by God because he wanted the widow to be looked after as well as the name of the dead brother to not simply disappear. And so this exception for sex outside of marriage was not only allowed and created, it was God approved. It was not meant to be interpreted as an exception that could be exploited to avoid falling under the law concerning adultery….... within the bounds of the holiness ascribed to the sexual act, this was simply an allowed exception that fulfilled a specific purpose of God. By ‘spilling his seed on the ground’, Onan disobeyed God and it could be in fact inferred that he thought he was doing an end-run around God’s commandment on adultery. He essentially thought he could commit adultery and get away with it scot-free (and ultimately responsibility-free) by leaving his sister-in-law childless. And by his actions, he mocked God and was killed for it. By perverting God's purpose of the exception, Onan turned it into an act of adultery.

God is holy…. and there are very serious consequences for those who mock Him and discount His holiness in all its forms.

53 posted on 10/26/2014 12:10:51 PM PDT by hecticskeptic (In life it's important to know what you believeÂ….but more more importantly, why you believe it.)
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To: GonzoII

Genesis 38:9-10: “But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife he spilled the semen on the ground, lest he should give offspring to his brother.


I would say it sounds like sola scripture and that is a no no with Catholics.

On the other hand I do not believe there is any thing wrong with what Onan did except disobey the commandment that was for the purpose of multiplying.


54 posted on 10/26/2014 12:13:07 PM PDT by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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To: DarkSavant
The sin of Onan was that he was not obedient in preserving and perpetuating the name and inheritance of his brother. It had to do with the lineage of Judah from which came Christ and also the promise to Abraham to make of him a great nation. To use it like the Catholic Church does is a perversion of Scripture.
55 posted on 10/26/2014 12:18:33 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: hecticskeptic

hecticskeptic, I could not have said as good myself, glad some one told it like it is.


56 posted on 10/26/2014 12:19:50 PM PDT by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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To: DarkSavant

Argue contraception all you want. But don’t pervert scripture to do so.


57 posted on 10/26/2014 12:20:11 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Genesis 38 states that Onan was punished by death for what? For "the thing which he did," which had just been described: a contracepted act of sex.

That conclusion is in my view erroneous even though 'contraception' was involved.... In the end, the 'thing that Onan did' was to try to circumvent God's law by thinking that he could get away with adultery by exploiting the one exception that God had allowed. He was essentially punished by death for mocking God.

58 posted on 10/26/2014 12:20:41 PM PDT by hecticskeptic (In life it's important to know what you believeÂ….but more more importantly, why you believe it.)
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I know of a Protestant minister who had his vasectomy reversed when he realized how much God hated contraception.

And did he use this passage of scripture to justify his vasectomy reversal? If so, I think he was sadly ill-informed and mistaken.... if someone can find another passage in scripture that points to a specific statement that "God hates contraception", I'd like to know what it is.

59 posted on 10/26/2014 12:24:40 PM PDT by hecticskeptic (In life it's important to know what you believeÂ….but more more importantly, why you believe it.)
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Sounds like one or both people on the make, I have had those kind of conversations with the opposite sex myself and I was on the make.


60 posted on 10/26/2014 12:27:09 PM PDT by ravenwolf (` know if an other temple will be built or not but the)
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