MSN Headline: Vatican Alters Report Translation about Gays

MSN.com ^ | 10-16-2014 | AP

[Salvation]

Check it out

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vatican-alters-draft-report-translation-about-gays/ar-BB9qgYh

[Mrs. Don-o]

Catholic prophecy is never quite clear as to exactly who, doing what, to whom and especially when.

I maintain the hope that Francis is letting the Lavender Mafia out itself in all its gaudy pride. Dangerous, but --- if it's so --- a chess-master's strategy. And he is still steering the ship through the straits with the Eucharist on one hand and Our Lady on the other, which means (per prophecy) he is steering it aright.

He is also launching Paul VI down the canonization fast lane --- so they say --- which I know to many people signals Liturgical Chaos and Doctrinal Collapse. But to me Paul VI has always meant the overwhelming, outrageously against-the-odds, heart-throbbing miracle of Humanae Vitae.

So we shall see.

[piusv]

He may be baiting them to catch them.

Oh, Mrs. Don-o. You can't be serious.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yeah, I am. #21

Wait and see.

[piusv]

So you believe that the Catholic Church believes in the ends justifies the means? You believe that Francis will and should do evil to bring about good?

[Mrs. Don-o]

Nobody should do evil. All “sly as a snake” tactics are not evil, however.

[piusv]

If Francis is doing what you said, then you support the end justifying the means. Even the JPII Catechism recognizes this Catholic principle:

1753 A good intention (for example, that of helping one's neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means. Thus the condemnation of an innocent person cannot be justified as a legitimate means of saving the nation. On the other hand, an added bad intention (such as vainglory) makes an act evil that, in and of itself, can be good (such as almsgiving).

[Mrs. Don-o]

No, I just told you I do not support the idea that "The end justifies the means."

I said that not all sly-like-a-serpent-ness is a sin.

Anything that is an actual sin is prohibited, by definition. Sin is never the lesser of two evils.

[Mrs. Don-o]

No, I just told you I do not support the idea that "The end justifies the means."

I said that not all sly-like-a-serpent-ness is a sin.

Anything that is an actual sin is prohibited, by definition. Sin is never the lesser of two evils.

[piusv]

Did you not say this:

I maintain the hope that Francis is letting the Lavender Mafia out itself in all its gaudy pride. Dangerous, but --- if it's so --- a chess-master's strategy

How is this not the ends justifies the means? And how is letting the Lavender Mafia out itself (and scandalize the Faithful in the process) not an evil thing to do?

[Salvation]

That timeline boggles my mind.

I also think it was rude to give it to the press before the Bishops got it.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Not rude, shrewd. They knew exactly what they were doing.

[Bigg Red]

Joining in your prayers, my FRiend.

[piusv]

Given all of the reports, do you have any clue what is going on? I can’t keep track of it.

[Melian]

I hope you are right. Joining my prayers with yours.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"How is this not the ends justifies the means?"

Outing the Lavender Mafia is a Spiritual Work of Mercy.

Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the fruitless works of darkness; rather expose them.

"And how is letting the Lavender Mafia out itself (and scandalize the Faithful in the process) not an evil thing to do?

Because he is letting them come out from under their brocade-upholstered rocks and show their true sliminess. At this point --- if what Fr. Z/La Stampa are reporting is true --- their name is mud as far as the other bishops are concerned. They have damaticlly lost credibility with the majority of the bishops (did you catch that there were 265 official bishops' speeches at the Synod, and only ONE (!) talked about "gay"?) (I mean !!!), and the faithful are rejoicing mightily.

In none of this ---- as far as I am aware--- has Pope Francis broken a Commandment. Whether he has or has not blundered in prudential judgment is a different question --- differ if you will on strategy and tactics --- but he has nor violated moral law.

He is like Daniel outing the horndog elders who tried to rape Susannah. He's doing it by letting them just keep talking. They're digging their graves with their jaws.

If the faithful "take scandal" from the fragmentary, garbled, cherry-picked Reuters-UPI-AP-CNN-MSNBC fare they are being served, the faithful are succumbing , wittingly or not, to rash judgment. They are calling the election results before the votes are cast; they are cursing roulette while the wheel's still in spin.

St. Francis de Sales says each person has the obligation to not TAKE scandal.

Don't take scandal.

[piusv]

I await his excommunicating the heretics now that they are “exposed”....rather than continuing to play these games then.

[miserare]

Such sophistry!