Posted on 10/13/2014 6:59:33 PM PDT by ebb tide
In my mind, the Relatio (The mid Synod report), released today October 13th, is the equivalent of standing out in a field during a thunderstorm holding a 50ft lightning rod, daring God to hit it!
A snippet...
45. Divorced people who have not remarried should be invited to find in the Eucharist the nourishment they need to sustain them in their state. The local community and pastors have to accompany these people with solicitude, particularly when there are children involved or they find themselves in a serious situation of poverty.
46. In the same way the situation of the divorced who have remarried demands a careful discernment and an accompaniment full of respect, avoiding any language or behavior that might make them feel discriminated against. For the Christian community looking after them is not a weakening of its faith and its testimony to the indissolubility of marriage, but rather it expresses precisely its charity in its caring.
47. As regards the possibility of partaking of the sacraments of Penance and the Eucharist, some argued in favor of the present regulations because of their theological foundation, others were in favor of a greater opening on very precise conditions when dealing with situations that cannot be resolved without creating new injustices and suffering. For some, partaking of the sacraments might occur were it preceded by a penitential path – under the responsibility of the diocesan bishop –, and with a clear undertaking in favor of the children. This would not be a general possibility, but the fruit of a discernment applied on a case-by-case basis, according to a law of gradualness, that takes into consideration the distinction between state of sin, state of grace and the attenuating circumstances.
48. Suggesting limiting themselves to only “spiritual communion” was questioned by more than a few Synodal Fathers: if spiritual communion is possible, why not allow them to partake in the sacrament? As a result a greater theological study was requested starting with the links between the sacrament of marriage and the Eucharist in relation to the Church-sacrament. In the same way, the moral dimension of the problem requires further consideration, listening to and illuminating the consciences of spouses.
49. The problems relative to mixed marriages were frequently raised in the interventions of the Synodal Fathers. The differences in the matrimonial regulations of the Orthodox Churches creates serious problems in certain contexts to which have to be found suitable responses in communion with the Pope. The same applies to inter-religious marriages.
Welcoming homosexual persons
50. Homosexuals have gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community: are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities? Often they wish to encounter a Church that offers them a welcoming home. Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?
51. The question of homosexuality leads to a serious reflection on how to elaborate realistic paths of affective growth and human and evangelical maturity integrating the sexual dimension: it appears therefore as an important educative challenge. The Church furthermore affirms that unions between people of the same sex cannot be considered on the same footing as matrimony between man and woman. Nor is it acceptable that pressure be brought to bear on pastors or that international bodies make financial aid dependent on the introduction of regulations inspired by gender ideology.
52. Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners. Furthermore, the Church pays special attention to the children who live with couples of the same sex, emphasizing that the needs and rights of the little ones must always be given priority.
Ping
Oh, boy. What a word salad.
Be wary of news reports about the what the Synod is up to
Read Fr. Z’s Blog
>http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/10/be-wary-of-news-reports-about-the-what-the-synod-is-up-to/<
It’s funny (strange funny) that these suggestions are made within only months of two high profile cases of homosexual couples losing communion and ministerial privileges due to them mimicking “marriage.” I don’t think this is an accident.
And I don’t think these homosexuals will be denied full privileges much longer, without modifying their lives. (In fact, they’ll probably receive an apology from Rome itself.)
Except for the introductory sentence, the posted article quoted excerpts of the “relatio” verbatim.
Nobody can blame it on “news reports”. This “relatio” was reviewed and approved by he who convened this Sin-Nod, Pope Francis.
The pope and his hand-picked minions don’t possess the authority to pervert Church teachings. Their arrogance is astonishing.
Fr. Z said this:
>>For example, if the Synod makes a statement about the “gifts and qualities” of homosexuals, keep in mind that homosexuals do NOT have ”gifts and qualities” for the Church simply because they are homosexuals.<<
Yet, Francis’ relatio states:
>>Are our communities capable of providing that, accepting and valuing their sexual orientation, without compromising Catholic doctrine on the family and matrimony?<<
What kind of church document throws out questions rather than serious condemnations of sin?
It’s one big cluster****. Read the reports I posted.
**** The pope and his hand-picked minions don’t possess the authority to pervert Church teachings. Their arrogance is astonishing. ****
Why not?
Past Popes and their hand picked minions certainly did their fair share of perverting the Papalcy and the Church.
From selling the Papalcy, to refusing to resign, to fathering children from numerous baby mommas, murder, adultery, gambling, all forms of abuse and debauchery to questioning the actual gender of one of the Popes, there is a rather colorful history which makes anything this Pope could do seem very tame.
http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/
“Popin’ ain’t easy”
Isn’t it already true that divorced Catholics who have not remarried may receive communion?
First, you credit the relatio as belonging to the Pope.
As for your question “what kind of church?”
Is your church filled with members in 100% agreement on all things?
So which previous pope has countenanced the deliberate undermining of Church teaching regarding the sanctity of marriage and Church teaching condemning homosexual behavior?
Absolutely.
Yes. I know of several.
Hold that 50 foot rod up real high, I sense a storm coming. Let God vote.
There’s nothing sinful with divorce in that the Church doesn’t recognize it as but a separation and hopefully temporary. It’s the adultery of a remarriage that’s the bad....subsequent impoverishment and kids’ suffering notwithstanding.
I’m not sure why you’re asking this question.
Divorced, not remarried Catholics can receive communion so long as they are in a state of grace. Of course, if they are shacking up with someone then the fact that they are not remarried doesn’t change the fact that they should not be receiving communion.
Have read somewhere that there was talks of wanting to “streamline” the annullment process of something in regards to that issue.
Does “Our doom in the making” mean the gates of hell shall prevail? If so, bad headline.
Scandal must be, but Doctrine cannot change.
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