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Kasper and Burke: the Real Clash
http://www.zenit.org ^ | October 8, 2014 | Father Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 10/08/2014 9:12:02 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

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"Beyond the Sharp Exchanges, the Future Is Becoming Clear -- and It Belongs to Burkeans"
1 posted on 10/08/2014 9:12:02 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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“An obviously pained Cardinal Burke expresses shock at direction of Synod”

http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/an-obviously-pained-cardinal-burke-expresses-shock-at-direction-of-synod/

“I can add this: I have been praying the Chaplet of the Holy Face as requested by Cardinal Burke, and I think his choice of prayer incredibly significant. The main prayer repeated throughout the Chaplet is:

“Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be scattered, and let them that hate Thee fly before Thy Face!””

http://veneremurcernui.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/synod-considers-dropping-language-condemning-sin/


2 posted on 10/08/2014 9:22:44 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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Woot! I am a Burkean Catholic! Interesting article explains a lot!
3 posted on 10/08/2014 9:39:19 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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I am a Burkean, too; I would note, however, that the european model also exists in areas of America outside the northeast. For example, Cardinal Burke went to Rome from the Vatican form St. Louis, Missouri, where I went to college, and where my wife is from. It also has an underlying Catholic culture, and has many Kasperians.


4 posted on 10/08/2014 9:54:35 AM PDT by I-ambush (Don't let it bring you down, it's only castles burning)
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I agree wholeheartedly. I think half of most Parishes are Kasper while the other half is Burke. I just did not have such a black and white description of it before. Makes perfect sense.

Gives me new perspective when the haters come to club me over the head with Teddy Kennedy.

While we are on the subject how many think any of those cultural Catholic politicians really even go to Mass unless there are cameras present and it's an election year? They regularly attend St. Mattress.

5 posted on 10/08/2014 10:01:05 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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Excellent analysis, thanks for posting.


6 posted on 10/08/2014 10:02:43 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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Pro-aborts/queer “marriage” libtards that follow heretics like Kaspar have renigged on their right to be called a Catholic. That’s fact. So it’s time the media quit referring to them as Catholic and it’s time for them to join some protestant liberal faith that will put up with your garbage.


7 posted on 10/08/2014 10:21:42 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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I do think that a lot of the very vocal ones have not been to a Mass in years. I am beginning to think they are like those people at protest. Just professional agitators.
8 posted on 10/08/2014 10:25:45 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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Do you remember that toy called Sock ‘Em Robots in which two plastic robot boxers bashed each other while two kids were controlling their left hooks, blocks and body blows?

If I recall correctly, the "Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots" couldn't make left hooks. They were mostly uppercuts and maybe jabs.
9 posted on 10/08/2014 10:37:15 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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Pro-aborts/queer “marriage” libtards that follow heretics like Kaspar have renigged on their right to be called a Catholic. That’s fact. So it’s time the media quit referring to them as Catholic and it’s time for them to join some protestant liberal faith that will put up with your garbage.


10 posted on 10/08/2014 10:49:03 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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Didn’t mean to repeat. Sorry.


11 posted on 10/08/2014 10:50:42 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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No worries!


12 posted on 10/08/2014 11:04:14 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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In the present Vatican climate, Burke may seem like yesterday’s man, but his underlying assumptions are the ones that will take the Church into the future.

There are myriad ways to say this: "give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile." Cardinal Burke understands the battle we are in, and the Church is our last bastion.

One of the worst ideas to come out of Vatican II is that Confirmation would no longer be seen to make one "a soldier of Christ."

Well, I'm still marching for Christ the Lord! Let's please bring back the St. Michael Defender prayer at the end of all Masses.

13 posted on 10/08/2014 11:50:49 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan; pray the rosary.)
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We have crazy, disobedient, convert priests too. I feel for you folks but am a bit mystified as to why any of you listen to them....


14 posted on 10/08/2014 3:03:01 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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For later.


15 posted on 10/08/2014 3:36:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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self ping for a valuable read


16 posted on 10/08/2014 4:55:32 PM PDT by JimSp
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Depends also too what part of the country you live in. Agree with your presentation, of your area as well as northeastern USA.

In the American south, because of a much more conservative Bible-based Christian faith Churches there, more likely, the Catholics there are going to be more Burkean.


17 posted on 10/09/2014 9:22:52 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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I sense the next Pope will be of the Burke style nature, because I read somewhere that Pope Francis said he may do another 2 or 3 years as Pope.


18 posted on 10/09/2014 9:24:51 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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....If there are such churches left.


19 posted on 10/09/2014 9:27:06 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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“The Burke/Kasper clash is therefore about much more than the treatment of divorced and remarried Catholics. This is a clash between easy going establishment Catholicism and radical anti-establishment Catholicism. The clash is between two essentially conflicting understandings of the Catholic faith in the world today. One only needs to take a quick look at demographics in a book like John Allen’s The Future Church to realize that Kasperian Catholicism is at the end of its lifespan. European Catholicism of the Kasperian sort is dead and dying. In the present Vatican climate, Burke may seem like yesterday’s man, but his underlying assumptions are the ones that will take the Church into the future.

Before the conclave of 2013, I wrote a series of articles on the cardinals on the lists of papabile. While they come from every corner of the globe, what was impressive about them is that the majority had the foundational assumptions of Burke, not Kasper. Their formation and their present environment is that of being minorities and missionaries. They are used to conflict not compromise, and the idea of a European style established church is completely alien to them. This is why the present debate in the Church must be seen in a much larger context. The current papacy is likely to be relatively short and it is fair to look forward with eyes wide open.”

Also look for the Burkeans to become the “new missionaries” to bring back the faith to those areas where it is either dead or dying.


20 posted on 10/09/2014 9:31:09 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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