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To: metmom
It's kinda -- hmm, nicely, nicely --- it's kinda unnecessarily constricted to say you doubt something happened if it didn't happen in Scripture, which --- correct me if I'm wrong --- seems to be your opinion. A whole lotta history happened over the past 2,000 years, and can't use the fact that it's not in Scripture as your sole criterion to determine whether it happened or not. Scriptural truth isn't the only truth. There's also the birth, marriage and death records at the County Courthouse, for instance, other facts and reasonable inferences from facts which are the common stuff of legitimate historiography.
22 posted on 09/27/2014 11:53:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It's kinda -- hmm, nicely, nicely --- it's kinda unnecessarily constricted to say you doubt something happened if it didn't happen in Scripture, which --- correct me if I'm wrong --- seems to be your opinion. Not at all.

There's plenty of history in this world that is not recorded in Scripture. But in dealing with issues concerning Christianity, it is THE standard by which truth claims are to be measured.

And to demand that something be taken as dogma or doctrine, as a truth that must believed by the faithful else they risk their salvation, there must be more substantiation than hearsay.

Surely if the Holy Spirit thought that the doctrine was necessary for us to know pertaining to salvation, then He would have seen fit to put it in there Himself.

But He didn't, so I don't see where anyone else, no matter who they claim to be, has any authority to make it binding on believers for salvation.

32 posted on 09/27/2014 12:21:19 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It's kinda -- hmm, nicely, nicely --- it's kinda unnecessarily constricted to say you doubt something happened if it didn't happen in Scripture, which --- correct me if I'm wrong --- seems to be your opinion.

Ok; you're wrong.



...you doubt something happened...

...was NOT what she said.

The NECESSITY of believing that it DID 'happened' is what was questioned.


Believing it or not has ZERO to do with a person's salvation.

234 posted on 09/28/2014 4:35:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It's kinda -- hmm, nicely, nicely --- it's kinda unnecessarily constricted to say you doubt something happened if it didn't happen in Scripture, which --- correct me if I'm wrong --- seems to be your opinion. A whole lotta history happened over the past 2,000 years, and can't use the fact that it's not in Scripture as your sole criterion to determine whether it happened or not. Scriptural truth isn't the only truth. There's also the birth, marriage and death records at the County Courthouse, for instance, other facts and reasonable inferences from facts which are the common stuff of legitimate historiography.

The bible doesn't tell us that there would be no prophet named Joseph Smith nor does it tell us there wouldn't be a prophet named Mohammed who would turn out to be God's main prophet to mankind, just as God didn't tell us Mary would go to heaven and sit next to God as the queen of heaven...

You could just as easily have been born into a muzlim or Mormon family and used the argument you use now that since God didn't say that it couldn't be that it could be...

As long as the bible is not the sole authority for all three of those religions, one is no more legitimate than the other...You have all added to (and taken away) the words of God and made those words equally authoritative with God's words to the point of making the words of God of 'none effect'...

Although God 'does not say' that Mary was assumed to heaven and became the queen, He says many other things that make that scenario impossible for a Christian to believe...

And as the church father Tertullian stresses:

Tertullian dealt with similar reasoning from certain men in his own day who sought to bolster heretical teachings with the logic that nothing was impossible with God. His words stand as a much needed rebuke to the Roman Church of our day in its misguided teachings about Mary:

But if we choose to apply this principle so extravagantly and harshly in our capricious imaginations, we may then make out God to have done anything we please, on the ground that it was not impossible for Him to do it. We must not, however, because He is able to do all things, suppose that He has actually done what He has not done. But we must inquire whether He has really done it ... It will be your duty, however, to adduce your proofs out of the Scriptures as plainly as we do...(Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, Ante-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1951), Vol. III, Tertullian, Against Praxeas, ch. X and XI, p. 605).

310 posted on 09/28/2014 9:28:46 AM PDT by Iscool
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