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Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level
International Business Times ^
| 09/17/2014
| Tanya Diente
Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24
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To: RegulatorCountry
Right. Dodge the logical points, and throw a red herring... followed up by a double-scoop of appeal to popularity. Any other fallacies you’d care to throw... or would you like to step back and let those who actually want to DISCUSS these things do so?
No one’s forcing you to “buy” anything. Just let discussion forum members discuss, eh?
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posted on
09/18/2014 12:03:44 PM PDT
by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: Cicero; metmom; CynicalBear; boatbums
Wild claims?????......Well with all this clutter it would be rather confusing to "see Jesus"........
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posted on
09/18/2014 12:27:11 PM PDT
by
caww
To: caww
Jesus who?
The Jesus who had nowhere to lay His head?
The carpenter and itinerant preacher who owned the clothes on His back?
That Jesus?
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posted on
09/18/2014 12:29:45 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: Buckeye McFrog
Well actions do speak louder than words....note Francis bows to image of a crowned mary, off to the left is image of christ still hanging on the cross...
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posted on
09/18/2014 12:35:27 PM PDT
by
caww
To: mdmathis6
The books we have of Enoch seem incomplete as though they were scattered bits and pieces put together from a lost source. There may be yet a lost complete book of Enoch that God isnt ready for us to have yet. The writer of the letter of Jude was certainly aware of Enoch as would the councils had been aware that put our present canon together. Or, we could conclude that God saw fit to include in Scripture whatever was necessary for us to know about Enoch.
The problem with extra Biblical revelation is that if it contradicts Scripture, it's wrong. If it doesn't, then it's redundant and therefore not needed.
Honestly, the Bible is long enough as it is. It contains more than enough material to keep anyone busy for a lifetime and then some, studying it and learning about God.
And people want to or seem to feel the need to add MORE?!?!
WHY?
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posted on
09/18/2014 12:38:48 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: metmom
Perhaps because on an instinctual/spiritual level all people know that they live in God and in him, “move and have their being”. There is so much more going on then the mere words of the Bible can reveal and so much more going on than the mind can possibly fathom. The mistaken attempts to add more to the Bible arises out of the inability of some to simply rest and trust in the word of God and to wait for the Spirit to reveal to our hearts just what is needed for each of us to know and understand.
To: paladinan; metmom
...” Can you *prove* it (i.e. prove that your interpretation is right, and mine is wrong, using the Bible alone—i.e. using your own principle)?”.....
Scripture is of no private interpretation....it’s application of scripture....acts, behavior, praying, teaching, ....how we ‘apply’ it to our life and others.
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posted on
09/18/2014 12:59:19 PM PDT
by
caww
To: mdmathis6
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:01:50 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: paladinan
I don't see the word "alone" in John 20:30-31, nor do I see "sufficient". Where are you getting those ideas? They don't seem to be coming from the text of Scripture... Sure they are. In the part where John says....." but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God,".
What things? The things that John penned.
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:03:50 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: paladinan
No one’s forcing you to engage me, paladinan. Ply your wares elsewhere and see what sort of success you find.
To: metmom
PS: Jude does draw one of its verses from Enoch and Jude does have “God shine” all over it....you can’t dismiss it. Part of Enoch such as the “Son of Man comes with 10000’s of his saints to execute judgment” is in Jude. Enoch is not easily dismissible like other “extra canonical” books but the fragments we have of it contain passages too fantastic(like something akin to Ripley Scott’s “Prometheus”) to be readily acceptable as full gospel truth. What God will reveal, he will reveal soon enough. For now I accept the Bible for what it is including Jude, leaving Enoch aside as a speculative question for now.
To: paladinan
Interesting, that St. James claims "steadfastness" to be able to make one "perfect" (an even stronger word than in 2 Timothy) and "complete, lacking in NOTHING". Odd, that Scripture wasn't mentioned... Tell us, then. What is steadfastness and how does it make us perfect and complete?
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:06:06 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: paladinan
One needs Scripture, yes--but also Tradition, an infallible teaching authority, an open heart, obedience, etc. and where is *sacred tradition* and an *infallible teaching authority* mentioned in Scripture?
Or is it tradition that tradition is necessary? That would be pretty convenient.
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:07:50 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: paladinan
You also noticed that "BibleHub" doesn't use the RSV? I'm not sure of your point, here. The point? Douay-Rheims is a Catholic version.
Besides, didn't it offer enough versions of the Bible for you to compare?
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:09:15 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: caww
You need to repost the image. All I’m seeing is a black box.
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:10:37 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: metmom
Pope Francis does worship catholicism's mary... confirmed by kneeling, bowing and praying 'TO' mary in this photo.....Also confirmed by Jesuit Leader Federico Lombardi who stated.....Pope Francis's tradition is visiting the Salus Populi Romani to pray 'for Marys protection and care' before a major trip as pictured here.."
and here
Pope Francis kissing a man-made carved block of wood
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:10:48 PM PDT
by
caww
To: mdmathis6
PS: Jude does draw one of its verses from Enoch and Jude does have God shine all over it....you cant dismiss it. I'm not dismissing it. All I meant was that all we needed to know about Enoch, God saw fit to include in other places in Scripture.
I would be more than cautious about accepting anything outside of that that someone later comes along and claims should have been included in the Bible but for some reason wasn't.
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:13:22 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: metmom
Still waiting for some Catholic to provide the source from Scripture where this comes from........
Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her,
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:14:29 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: caww
What the heck is holding and kissing?
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:15:29 PM PDT
by
metmom
(...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
To: metmom
I can see it...but I'll post again here...
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posted on
09/18/2014 1:20:52 PM PDT
by
caww
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