Posted on 09/13/2014 10:57:00 AM PDT by Salvation
So using scripture alone is cultic to Catholics?
Please show where I ever claimed to be a Protestant.
You mean, He was outside your soul before you went to Communion?
Unfortunately that is totally lost on Catholics..
On Pentecost Christ gave us a church not a bible. THAT church which existed 1400 years before Martin Luther came along midwifed God’s word into the canon of Scripture which ML thought he was fit to abridge.
How about you? If you say You are "Born again Christian' and live a life of sin do you go to Heaven?
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On Pentecost, Christ gave us the Holy Spirit, who breathed out Scripture through those He indwelt.
Those born again then became the church and it's still growing today.
The body of Christ is an organism, not an organization.
We sin in the life we live and yes, we go to heaven anyway.
But go ahead and define what you mean by *living a life of sin*.
You become a prostitute and die.
You get a free pass??
It is not the Catholic Union Association of Churches of the Roman Rite, which is a large denomination of local churches governed by assent to the bishop of Rome, the RCC. It is unquestionably not the only existing church denomination, nor does its exclusivity deny the reality of a plethora of independent local Bible fellowships, all claiming the leadership of Christ.
So don't ask that absurd question. No intelligent person would pay it much attention. It's just a mud-slinging slur, not a real question looking for a sincere answer.
Then you’re not a believer to begin with.
So no, you don’t go to heaven, not because of the sin, but because you weren’t saved in the first place.
Nobody who is saved would have the attitude that salvation is fire insurance, like those who are not born again like to portray.
And how do I know that people who think like that are not born again? Because nobody born again would have such a flippant attitude towards sin and salvation.
Born again believers are new creatures in Christ, have died to the flesh and have the Holy Spirit living in them.
It doesn’t mean they’re perfect, nor does it mean they will never sin, but when God puts His Holy Spirit in you, your thinking WILL change and God will not allow you to continue in a habitual lifestyle of sin.
People who are not saved simply do not understand how the saved view salvation and sin.
And no, no free pass.
While deliberately sinning won’t cost you your salvation, once you are under God’s ownership, He will not rest until he conforms you into the image of His Son, and He will work to remove the sin from your life.
He will not allow a child of His to go on in such a self-destructive path without intervening.
The chastisement and discipline of the Lord is something that someone who sins deliberately has to deal with.
And we are reminded regularly by Catholics no less, that there are 22 *rites* within Catholicism.
So I wonder which one of THEM is the *true*, original brand of Catholicism.
Interestingly, the Eastern Orthodox consider themselves to be the one true church and that the Roman church is the one in schism.
Apparently, whatever flavor of Catholicism is correct depends on who you are talking to.
**Please do not think that He needs to be crucified over and over for you to remain saved.**
The Catholic Church doesn’t believe this — why do you?
**So I wonder which one of THEM is the *true*, original brand of Catholicism.**
All are true. They are rites of the same Mass.
The point is, the issue was defining one's faith, not the actions of pastors, priests, or whoever affiliates. This was just narses being caught again at dodging the issue.
Rites are simply forms of worship dating back to the Apostolic era. All Rites are obedient to the pope and united in doctrine.
RITES
A Rite represents an ecclesiastical, or church, tradition about how the sacraments are to be celebrated. Each of the sacraments has at its core an essential nature which must be satisfied for the sacrament to be confected or realized. This essence – of matter, form and intention – derives from the divinely revealed nature of the particular sacrament. It cannot be changed by the Church. Scripture and Sacred Tradition, as interpreted by the Magisterium, tells us what is essential in each of the sacraments (2 Thes. 2:15).
When the apostles brought the Gospel to the major cultural centers of their day the essential elements of religious practice were inculturated into those cultures. This means that the essential elements were clothed in the symbols and trappings of the particular people, so that the rituals conveyed the desired spiritual meaning to that culture. In this way the Church becomes all things to all men that some might be saved (1 Cor. 9:22).
There are three major groupings of Rites based on this initial transmission of the faith, the Roman, the Antiochian (Syria) and the Alexandrian (Egypt). Later on the Byzantine derived as a major Rite from the Antiochian, under the influence of St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. From these four derive the over 20 liturgical Rites present in the Church today.
Excellent.
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