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To: WVKayaker

“It seems the ones trolling on this thread are the ones insisting that they cannot err as long as they follow Rome.”

That is no part of Catholic doctrine, nor has it ever been. It is astounding that you could be unaware of that.

“Yet, when confronted with Scripture refutations of their folly, they insist the others are not conforming to their ideas as dictated by Rome.”

Your restatement of others’ remarks is inaccurate in the extreme. No one has made such an argument.

“Scripture is just something taken out of context to use as a springboard for establishing some alleged validity to their traditions of men.”

The FR Religion Forum is a place where liars can ply their mischief freely, secure in the knowledge that it is forbidden here to characterize a lie as a lie.

“Jesus warned us against them!”

Jesus called Satan “the father of lies.”

“not into some manmade institution that requires rote response and blind allegiance.”

There are two inaccuracies in that passage: the Church is not man-made, nor does it ask blind allegiance. You really should investigate those things before you go around spreading…inaccuracies.

“It was Benedict XVI who amended the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) before he became pope.”

Right, because he had authority to act alone, and no one could overrule him. (Man, the things some people believe.)

“…a lie of course”

A lie does not arise from confusion, ignorance, honest mistake, or even sensationalism. Lying is this, no more and no less: “deliberately uttering or causing to be uttered statements known to be false for the purpose of deceiving the listener or reader, or causing visual media to be edited or falsified in such a way as to deceive the viewer.”

“Apparently, Roman Catholics do not believe Jesus is the Creator, either.”

So, I guess here we must assume that the writer is speaking from confusion, ignorance, honest mistake, or sensationalism (hyperbole, in this instance), because the other alternative is not allowed.

“The CCC says…”

The CCC is not Divinely Inspired. It is neither prescriptive nor proscriptive, in that all tenets of faith are grounded in other sources that are Divinely Inspired.

“Pope John Paul II repeated this statement even more clearly…”

John Paul the Hastily Canonized was not speaking ex cathedra. Ergo, Catholics are free to disagree with him on this point. I personally think St. JPII was wrong, although he may have been trying to avoid sparking the sort of Christian genocide seen throughout the region during the “Arab Spring.”


2,072 posted on 09/27/2014 1:33:29 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
That is no part of Catholic doctrine, nor has it ever been.

Oh?

I've seen myriad quotes from the CCC that FR catholics dismiss without even a WAVE of the hand!

2,089 posted on 09/27/2014 5:42:57 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: dsc; WVKayaker; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; ...
WVK:“It seems the ones trolling on this thread are the ones insisting that they cannot err as long as they follow Rome.”

dsc:That is no part of Catholic doctrine, nor has it ever been. It is astounding that you could be unaware of that.

Now, THAT is an interesting admission.

However, actions speak louder than words because for all practical purposes Catholics to believe taht and state as much regularly on these threads.

Otherwise, all us non-Catholics would not be continually castigated for following the Bible because we don't have one central, allegedly infallible teaching authority to lead us to the *truth*.

2,099 posted on 09/27/2014 6:43:12 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: dsc; WVKayaker
>>The CCC is not Divinely Inspired. It is neither prescriptive nor proscriptive, in that all tenets of faith are grounded in other sources that are Divinely Inspired.<<

Would you please produce for us the "Divinely Inspired" source for the apostles teaching of the assumption of Mary. Please keep in mind that we are told that if the apostles didn't teach it the teacher was to be considere accursed.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

2,108 posted on 09/27/2014 7:16:40 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christen)
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To: dsc; narses; Salvation; NYer; antceecee; mlizzy; JPX2011; Prince of Space; xzins
Even on Free Republic, we sometimes see posts in the "religion" threads (like this one) , that are just drenched with the stench of anti-Catholicism.    At times, the noxious noise coming from the small but loud anti-Catholic crowd sounds like the shrill shrieking and cacophonous cackling of hideous demons!

When confronted with such blatant and vitriolic anti-Catholicism here, it might be helpful to pause and ask the simple question, "Why are some people so bitterly and vituperatively anti- Catholic?"

I've compiled a brief representative list of some well-known anti-Catholics from both the present and the past to insert here, and I think it might be helpful to consider why these sour-faced folks are/were so anti-Catholic, just like a small number (maybe 20 or so?) of the posters here on Free Republic often are, in their frequently hostile, antagonistic, and usually false / inaccurate posts.

There are many possible truthful answers to that question, of course, and it might be helpful to take a brief time-out here, in order to analyze some of these answers to try to find some of the deeper underlying causes for the often harshly negative views of these anti-Catholic bigots.

Some anti-Catholics (or at least some people who are "anti-Catholic-teachings") are actually "Catholic-In-Name-Only" CINO's, like Pelosi, Biden, Sebelius, Cuomo, Sotomayor, etc., who, like Judas Iscariot, are traitors to the Catholic Church, and reject and oppose her sacred teachings concerning faith and morals (given by God), but who publicly posture, and lie, and pretend they are true Catholics, when they really do not believe or follow the God-given teachings of the Catholic Church.

Some Catholic bashers are themselves former Catholics, who, strangely enough, are often the most bitter, and petulantly acrimonious anti-Catholics of all (as anyone reading some of these threads can readily see), and perhaps their rancorous and acerbic anti-Catholic feelings are due to some slight or hurt (real or imagined) from their past which is still causing them intense pain.

Examine this partial list of some anti-Catholic persons and groups and the pitiful objects they produce, and see if you can find other common attributes or characteristics among them besides just their obvious shared anti-Catholicism, which might have a bearing on the motivations for their anti-Catholicism.    Then we should all do our best to see if a way can be found to help anti-Catholics here and elsewhere to see the light, remove the deep bitterness and the anti-Catholic bias from their souls, and turn to the true Church founded by Jesus Christ, for complete healing and reconciliation.

Gallery of Anti-Catholics
Anti-Catholic
(Protestant Barack Hussein Obama)
Anti-Catholic
(Protestant Hillary Rodham Clinton)
Anti-Catholic
(Protestant Harry Reid)
Anti-Catholic
(Protestant Rev. Jeremiah Wright)
Anti-Catholic
(Planned Parenthood)
Anti-Catholic
(Homosexuals)
Anti-Catholic
(Friedrich Nietzsche)
Anti-Catholic
(George Soros)
Anti-Catholic
(Protestant Rev. Jesse Jackson)
Anti-Catholic
(Protestant Rev. Al Sharpton)
Anti-Catholic
(Protestant Jimmy Swaggart)
Anti-Catholic
(Margaret Sanger)
Anti-Catholic
(Atheists)
Anti-Catholic
(KKK)
Anti-Catholic
(Mainstream Media Representative - Candy Crowley)
Anti-Catholic
(Mainstream Media Representative - Wolf Blitzer)
Anti-Catholic
(Ellen Gould White)
Anti-Catholic
(Goodloe Harper Bell)
Anti-Catholic
(Muslim Terrorists 1)
Anti-Catholic
(Muslim Terrorists 2)
Anti-Catholic
(Muslim Terrorists 3 - ISIS)
Anti-Catholic
(Muslim Terrorists 4 - Boko Haram)
Anti-Catholic
(Muslim Terrorists 5 - ISIS)
Anti- Catholic
(Muslim Terrorists 6 - ISIS)
Anti-Catholic
(Nazis)
Anti-Catholic
(Perverts Protesting Against Catholics At Cathedral)
Anti-Catholic
(Fidel Castro)
Anti-Catholic
(Know Nothing Party)
Anti-Catholic
(Communists)
Anti-Catholic
(Dim-bulbed Democrats - New Black Panther Party)
Anti-Catholic
(Kim Jong-un)
Anti-Catholic
(Idi Amin)
Anti-Catholic
Cartoonist Work
Anti-Catholic
Billboard
Anti-Catholic
(CINO Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor)
Anti-Catholic
(Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg)
Anti-Catholic
(Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan)
Anti-Catholic
(Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer)
Anti-Catholic
Traitorous Catholic-In-Name-Only CINO's
Anti-Catholic
(CINO Traitor Judas Iscariot)
Anti- Catholic
(CINO Traitor Nancy Pelosi)
Anti-Catholic
(CINO Traitor Joe Biden)
Anti-Catholic
(CINO Traitor Kathleen Sebelius)
Anti-Catholic
(CINO Traitor Andrew Cuomo)
Anti-Catholic
(CINO Traitor "Sister" Carol Keehan)
Anti-Catholic Posting Demons
Anti-Catholic
(Catholic-Bashing Posting Demons - Group 1)
(Hear them cackle!)
Anti-Catholic
(Catholic-Bashing Posting Demons - Group 2)
(Hear them shriek!)
Primary Instigator of All Anti-Catholicism
Anti-Catholic #1
(Traitor Satan)
(Used to live in Heaven)
(Now the Gates of Hell)
(The hideous father of all anti-Catholic lies)

2,126 posted on 09/27/2014 8:12:41 AM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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