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Islam, Immigration and the Importance of Culture
Crisis Magazine ^ | September 9, 2014 | WILLIAM KILPATRICK

Posted on 09/09/2014 11:55:44 AM PDT by NYer

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The Catholic Archbishop of Brisbane, Mark Coleridge, recently condemned the barbarism of the Islamic State, but for some reason felt compelled to add: “It has nothing to do with real Islam….”

Meanwhile, Amel Shimoun Nona, the exiled Chaldean Archbishop of Mosul, warned European and Western Christians that they “will also suffer in the near future” because:

you are welcoming in your countries an ever-growing number of Muslims…. You think all men are created equal, but that is not true: Islam does not say that all men are created equal. Your values are not their values. If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.

Archbishop Nona doesn’t bother to distinguish between real Islam and false Islam. He takes it for granted that when you invite mass immigration from Muslim countries, you are inviting trouble.

The difference between the two bishops, as one columnist put it, is the difference between “innocence” and “experience.” But it’s more than that. It’s not just innocence on the part of the Australian archbishop and other Western prelates who say much the same thing about Islam. It’s also a conscious defense of a certain narrative about Islam that has developed among many Church leaders. According to this narrative, Islam is one of many valid expressions of the religious impulse and is therefore a good thing. Islamic terrorism, on the other hand, is a betrayal of true Islam.

Why does the narrative need to be defended so assiduously? Well, for one thing, if Islam is intrinsically flawed, then the assumption that religion is basically a good thing would have to be revisited. That, in turn, might lead to a more aggressive questioning of Christianity. Accordingly, some Church leaders seem to have adopted a circle-the-wagons mentality—with Islam included as part of the wagon train. In other words, an attack on one religion is considered an attack on all: if they come for the imams, then, before you know it, they’ll be coming for the bishops. Unfortunately, the narrative doesn’t provide for the possibility that the imams will be the ones coming for the bishops.

In addition to fears about the secular world declaring open season on all religions, bishops have other reasons to paint a friendly face on Islam. It’s not just the religion-is-a-good-thing narrative that’s at stake. Other, interconnected narratives could also be called into question.

One of these narratives is that immigration is a good thing that ought to be welcomed by all good Christians. Typically, opposition to immigration is presented as nothing short of sinful. During a homily at the Italian island of Lampedusa—the “Ellis Island of Italy”—Pope Francis reprimanded Christians for their “indifference” to immigrants and for being “insensitive to the cries of others.” In a similar homily at the U.S.-Mexico border, Cardinal Sean O’Malley decried “the xenophobic ranting of a segment of the population” who refused to acknowledge the positive benefits of immigration. And Catholic leaders are not alone in criticizing opponents of immigration. In a 2010 poll, 75 percent of Protestant church leaders in the Netherlands said that a Christian could not vote for Geert Wilders’ anti-immigration party, because, as one of them put it, “Wilders’ …views contradict Christianity.”

But liberal immigration policies have had unforeseen consequences that now put (or ought to put) its proponents on the defensive. In Europe, the unintended consequences (some critics contend that they were fully intended) of mass immigration are quite sobering. It looks very much like Islam will become, in the not-so-distant future, the dominant force in many European states and in the UK as well. If this seems unlikely, keep in mind that, historically, Muslims have never needed the advantage of being a majority in order to impose their will on non-Muslim societies. And once Islamization becomes a fact, it is entirely possible that the barbarities being visited on Christians in Iraq could be visited on Christians in Europe. Or, as the archbishop of Mosul puts it, “If you do not understand this soon enough, you will become the victims of the enemy you have welcomed in your home.”

If that ever happens, the bishops (not all of them, of course) will bear some of the responsibility for having encouraged the immigration inflow that is making Islamization a growing threat. Thus, when a Western bishop feels compelled to tell us that Islamic violence has “nothing to do with real Islam,” it’s possible that he is hoping to reassure us that the massive immigration he has endorsed is nothing to worry about and will never result in the imposition of sharia law and/or a caliphate. He’s not just defending Islam, he’s defending a policy stance with possibly ruinous consequences for the West.

Of course, presidents and prime ministers say the same sorts of things about Islam. President Obama recently assured the world that “ISIL speaks for no religion,” Prime Minister David Cameron said that the extremists “pervert the Islamic faith,” and UK Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond asserted that the Islamic State “goes against the most basic beliefs of Islam.” They say these things for reasons of strategy and because they also have a narrative or two to protect. In fact, the narratives are essentially the same as those held by the bishops—religion is good, diversity is our strength, and immigration is enriching.

Since they are actually involved in setting policy, the presidents, prime ministers, and party leaders bear a greater responsibility than do the bishops for the consequences when their naïve narratives are enacted into law. Still, one has to wonder why, in so many cases, the bishop’s narratives are little more than an echo of the secular-political ones. It’s more than slightly worrisome when the policy prescriptions of the bishops so often align with the policies of Obama, Cameron, and company.

Many theologians believe that the Church should have a “preferential option for the poor,” but it’s not a good sign when the bishops seem to have a preferential option for whatever narrative stance the elites are currently taking on contested issues (issues of sexual ethics excepted). It’s particularly unnerving when the narratives about Islam and immigration subscribed to by so many bishops match up with those of secular leaders whose main allegiance is to the church of political expediency.

When the formulas you fall back on are indistinguishable from those of leaders who are presiding over the decline and fall of Western civilization, it’s time for a reality check.



TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Islam; Moral Issues
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To: NYer
I doubt you will hear anything about this in the mainstream media.

That is very true. A Google News search picks up two (2) references, from "Christian News Wire" and Breitbart, plus a generic article in the style "What Will Obama Do" from Canadian National Post.

21 posted on 09/10/2014 6:54:50 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: livius

Neither Bush nor Obama had the right philosophy in dealing with Islam, but at least for Bush we can say that he did not know at the time what would and what would not work.

Certainly, the idea that democracy, propped up by American bayonets, would transform the Middle East was utterly wrong, and that was Bush’s central assumption.

Bush’s thinking was largely shaped by the military men, Israeli concerns and the American Evangelicals. It was not in touch with neither Catholics nor Orthodox, and that had the effect of not noticing the middle-eastern Christian subculture.


22 posted on 09/10/2014 7:13:47 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

The West liberated the Balkans from the Ottomans?????????????

My ancestors beg to differ as would those of our fellow Balkan mountain bandits, the Serbs, Romanians and Bulgarians.


23 posted on 09/10/2014 8:22:37 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis

Bulgarians would certainly credit the Russians, and so probably would the Serbs. Also remember who stopped them at Vienna.


24 posted on 09/10/2014 8:24:51 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

The Greeks still credit the Orthodox Russians to one extent or another. They do not credit the Western secular, Latin or protestant powers. Stopping the Mohammedan Turks at Vienna didn’t save the Balkans from centuries under the heel of the Ottomans, but the sack of Constantinople by the 4th Crusade absolutely assured the fall of The City two centuries later and centuries of oppression to this very day.


25 posted on 09/10/2014 8:37:06 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis

If the Turks were not stopped at Vienna, the liberation of the Balkans would not be feasible, and that was Catholic West that stopped them. The sack of Constantinople was indeed a disaster, but so was the deliberate on the part of Byzantium failure of the Florentine Union, which was the proximate cause of the fall of the City.


26 posted on 09/10/2014 9:37:18 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
“If the Turks were not stopped at Vienna, the liberation of the Balkans would not be feasible, and that was Catholic West that stopped them.”

Where does that come from? We were left to the tender mercies of the Turks. We liberated much of Greece in the Greek War of Independence. Various other uprisings of local peoples liberated certain other ares until the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913 when we, contrary to the efforts of the West, we ran the Turks out of Europe.

“The sack of Constantinople was indeed a disaster, but so was the deliberate on the part of Byzantium failure of the Florentine Union, which was the proximate cause of the fall of the City.”

So, had we as the Laos tou Theou, agreed, as so many of our miserable hierarchs did, to grovel before the feet of the Bishop of Rome, all would have been well? I heard one of your more arrogant cardinals make that claim at a meeting of Orthodox and Latin hierarchs and laity. He was hooted down and left red faced. His remarks are often trotted out when talks get going on reunion.

27 posted on 09/10/2014 12:27:54 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis
Where does that come from?

The basic information is here: Battle of Vienna .

In the aftermath, Hungary and Transylvania were liberated and the Turks no longer were a threat to Western and Central Europe. Russia achieved dominance over its southern borders as well, and in 19 c. liberated Bulgaria. This is what I mean by Catholic West and Russia stopping the Turkish expansion. That Turkey still commands Constantinople and its European territories is unfortunate, but if the victory at the gate of Vienna did not occur, Turkey would still be a major player in Europe, with the Italian, Hungarian, Austrian and Romanian nations lowered to the condition of Bosnia and Albania. Certainly the collapse of the Turkish rule in Greece would not have occurred, regardless of the bravery of the Greeks.

had we as the Laos tou Theou, agreed, as so many of our miserable hierarchs did, to grovel before the feet of the Bishop of Rome, all would have been well?

The pivot between the "mitres" and the "turbans" was not invented by "our arrogant cardinals"; that was the conscious choice of the ruling class of Byzantium. They chose the turbans. What the status of Constantinople would have been if the Florentine Union had held, we do not know, but again, Catholic countries such as Austria and Hungary fought off the aggression, and Orthodox Greece that refused the union did not.

28 posted on 09/10/2014 1:25:50 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

“The pivot between the “mitres” and the “turbans” was not invented by “our arrogant cardinals”; that was the conscious choice of the ruling class of Byzantium. They chose the turbans.”

Not the ruling class, Alex. It was the bakers and butchers and shoemakers who overthrew the decision of the hierarchs at Florence. Of the hierarchs, only +Mark of Ephesus stood with the Laos tou Theou, who had always and to this day constitute the guardians of Orthodoxy. Holy Russia almost immediately repudiated the apostasy of Florence. Without us groveling before the Bishop of Rome, the military aid from the West was all but cut off and we know the rest.

The turbans were never chosen; my ancestor didn’t choose the turban. He died on the walls at the side of the God Ordained Emperor Constantine XI Paleologus and the women and children of the family were raped at Agia Sophia, near the altar where the good Roman Catholic boys of the 4th Crusade set up a whore and dressed her as the Patriarch.


29 posted on 09/10/2014 2:07:41 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis

Still, that was the choice, however it was arrived at: Catholic West or Muslim East, and it was made by the Byzantine nation as a whole. The Church was not going to mount a fifth crusade when the will for the union was that weak, and Constantinople fell to the Turks.


30 posted on 09/10/2014 2:44:34 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

Makes Rome and the papists sound like ISIL, Kosta.


31 posted on 09/10/2014 2:53:49 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis

ISIL fought four crusades to protect the Byzantine Empire from the Muslims, arrived at a theological agreement in Florence, and did not fight the fifth one after the Florence Union was rejected, not exactly clear by whom on the byzantine side?


32 posted on 09/10/2014 3:11:28 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

There was no doubt at all, either in Constantinople or Russia, who rejected the apostasy of Florence. There isn’t today either. Bottom line, either kiss the feet of the Bishop of Rome or die.


33 posted on 09/10/2014 3:19:30 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: NYer

Thanks


34 posted on 09/11/2014 3:34:11 AM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Kolokotronis

Signing the Unia, then rejecting it after some pro-Muslim agitators kicked themselves into gear is by definition “doubt”. Again, Rome had shown willingness to fight for the Byzantine causes for centuries after the Great Schism, but every charity reaches its limits when the recipient of it is acting two-faced.


35 posted on 09/11/2014 6:35:37 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
“Signing the Unia, then rejecting it after some pro-Muslim agitators kicked themselves into gear is by definition “doubt””

What in heaven's name are you talking about, Alex? If you mean the rejection of Florence by the people and lower clergy, that's the way Orthodoxy works and always has. Hierarchs don't rule over us, though they often try to. We saw an example of it in this century with the removal of the unlamented Spyridon as Archbishop of America. It works the same way with dogmas. If the people do not evidence their acceptance of a dogma from a council, give their “Great Amen” as we say, by living out the dogma in their lives, it is no dogma. For example, the “dogma” against artificial non-abortifacient birth control would be no dogma in the Latin Church if you had the same sort of ecclesiology.

36 posted on 09/11/2014 7:51:25 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: livius

The person in the world who has access to the mist information not only denies he is a Muslim, he denies that a major threat from a terrorist group is Islamic.

Until our leadership acknowledges the obvious truth we will constantly be exposed to danger.


37 posted on 09/11/2014 7:54:44 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Kolokotronis
If you mean the rejection of Florence by the people and lower clergy, that's the way Orthodoxy works and always has. Hierarchs don't rule over us, though they often try to.

It is not that simple. Mark of Ephesus was no "people and lower clergy" and he was the major force in rejecting the union. Therefore my assertion of pro-Muslim agitation against Florence was accurate except, of course, it was pro-Muslim in its inevitable effect rather than theologically. I am not sure from whom the famed expression "better the turban than the mitre" came from but its horrific succinctness suggests a political calculation hardly on the minds of people and lower clergy. It took a familiarity with the Muslim principles of dhimmitude to make, hence it could not be a popular sentiment.

Further, neither the issue between Eastern and Western Churches is of such nature that faithful peasants on either side could make. Neither the procession of the Holy Ghost nor the proper role of papacy yield to plain seat-of-the-pants analysis. It was entirely proper that Florence was conducted by theologians and brought to its temporary success by theologians; it was mindless anti-Catholic agitation and pliability of the plain folk, and the insidious calculations of the pro-Muslim political leadership that wrecked it.

I am moving West with my family, so I'll be mostly off line for a couple of days.

38 posted on 09/11/2014 8:34:11 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
“Mark of Ephesus was no “people and lower clergy” and he was the major force in rejecting the union.”

You are correct. In fact, he was the only hierarch of any consequence who opposed the False Union of Florence. Together with the monastics, lower clergy and the People, the dictates of the hierarchs and the Pope were frustrated. I still have no idea who you think the Mohammedan collaborators were. The remark about the Sultan's turban was made by Loukas Notaras, the last Grand Duke of the Empire. He was from the beautiful Greek city of Monemvasia. He was an interesting character who worked with Constantine Paleologos XI to gain military aid from the West while at the same time trying to keep the Orthodox populace of Constantinople from rioting because of a perceived alliance with Rome, hence the remark. He was deservedly, in my opinion, executed after the fall of The City.

“Further, neither the issue between Eastern and Western Churches is of such nature that faithful peasants on either side could make. Neither the procession of the Holy Ghost nor the proper role of papacy yield to plain seat-of-the-pants analysis. It was entirely proper that Florence was conducted by theologians and brought to its temporary success by theologians;....”

But Alex, the People always have the final say with us. That's the way it was and still is. We have no innovation like Rome's institutional magisterium. Holy Tradition is our magisterium and Holy Tradition is lived out in our lives as Orthodox Christians, not as subjects of the Bishop of Rome or anywhere else for that matter.

Have a good and safe move, my brother!

39 posted on 09/11/2014 11:04:10 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis
Sporadic post from a hotel.

the People always have the final say with us

That is not a virtue. The People are easily manipulated by various interests who know how to inflame the People's passions. Examples are not limited to the Mark of Ephesus's efforts. Ask an average (you are not average) member of the Orthodox People today (I have a Russian, Bulgarian and Greek experience from which I speak) about Catholicism and he will say things about kissing the Pope's shoe and (at best) the procedural illegality of the Filioque insertion. Yet he cannot discuss things that separate us in depth, because, I propose, they do not exist. It is all agitation, power hunger and ethnic strife.

40 posted on 09/11/2014 5:11:45 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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