Posted on 08/17/2014 10:21:22 AM PDT by wmfights
I never ask anyone from the Temple Institute what moved them to work on rebuilding the temple, now...Perhaps you could write them and ask them if you are interested...
From the Catholic DRA:
Apocalypse 20:1-15 DRC1752
And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should no more seduce the nations, till the thousand years be finished. And after that, he must be loosed a little time.
And I saw seats; and they sat upon them; and judgment was given unto them; and the souls of them that were beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and who had not adored the beast nor his image, nor received his character on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The rest of the dead lived not, till the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection. In these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ; and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years shall be finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go forth, and seduce the nations, which are over the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, and shall gather them together to battle, the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they came upon the breadth of the earth, and encompassed the camp of the saints, and the beloved city. And there came down fire from God out of heaven, and devoured them; and the devil, who seduced them, was cast into the pool of fire and brimstone, where both the beast And the false prophet shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and one sitting upon it, from whose face the earth and heaven fled away, and there was no place found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and hell gave up their dead that were in them; and they were judged every one according to their works. And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the pool of fire.(DRA)
I highly recommend reading chapter 19 as well. Then chapter 21. So no problems with translations. However your interpretation seems to take chapter 19, 21 and 22 literal but somehow ignore or apply allegory to chapter 20.
the “1,000 years” is representative of the period between the resurrection and the second coming.
2 Peter 3:8 alludes to not a literal 1,000 years.
why does God need to use the term “1,000 years” to represent this time period?
because God does not want us to know the exact day or hour of his second coming and if the Bible said they would reign for 1981 years, we could calculate when the Second Coming will be.
where do you find the 1,000 year reign in Matthew 24?
Would a genuine Catholic insult Catholics who love blessed Mary, the mother of God with us ?
So please tell us your theory. Is some Muslim Mahdi 12er going to sit in the Vatican?
Good questions. Now answer them please.
Or are you a prederist who believes the entire olivet discourse was fulfilled in 70 AD?
I know of some Iraqi and Iranian evangelical blog sites. Just Google it. The home churches are growing in the heart of Islam.
I noticed you weren’t posting, but I thought you might enjoy some of the pretzel twisting on who/what is Israel.
Oh, I suppose I'll review the thread.
who/what is Israel
I've been suggesting in these threads for years, that folks examine all the different ways "Israel" gets used. Jacob's new name. The tribes coming from him, considered collectevly. The united kingdom. The northern kingdom, in contrast to Judah. The servant of the LORD. Physical descendants of Jacob, vs. the believing remnant. "They are not all Israel who are of Israel". "The commonwealth of Israel", to which believing Christian gentiles are now explicitly in. Galatians 6:16. And there's a reference in Joshua somewhere, telling us that "all Israel" included stray foreigners. Who is the "synagogue of Satan" in Jesus' letters to the 7 churches? Who are the "unbelievers" in Judea that Paul hopes to be delivered from, in Romans 15?
Has anyone brought up Isaiah 49, where the servant of Yahweh is both Israel, and the one who redeems Israel?
Listen to me, O coastlands,
and give attention, you peoples from afar.
The LORD called me from the womb,
from the body of my mother he named my name.
He made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand he hid me;
he made me a polished arrow;
in his quiver he hid me away.
And he said to me, “You are my servant,
Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”
But I said, “I have labored in vain;
I have spent my strength for nothing and vanity;
yet surely my right is with the LORD,
and my recompense with my God.”And now the LORD says,
he who formed me from the womb to be his servant,
to bring Jacob back to him;
and that Israel might be gathered to him—
for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD,
and my God has become my strength— he says:
“It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”
Thanks for letting me know you did not read the chapters cited.
No one is calculating 1000 years from resurrection to second coming. I believe some in 800 AD were predicting that one.
IF you read the text you will see a clear chain of events from Revelation chapter 19-20.
Unless you want to admit you are a preterist and you believe the second coming was actually in 70 AD. That would fit your timeline.
The Olivet discourse deals with the tribulation and second coming of Jesus Christ.
You will have to read chapter 25 for those who enter the Kingdom.
Excellent points about Isaiah 49; harmonizing all the Scriptures is a wise approach.
You care to point out where God says he doesn't want anyone to know when he's coming??? Well, we know you can't do that...In fact he DOES want us to know...So we will be ready...
Because he wants us to know it is 1,000 years.
Biblical history (according to historians) is approx. 6000 years old...That's puts us at the end of the 6 day mark of creation...God rested on the 7th day; the 7th 1000 year period...The 1000 year period spoken of in Revelation and Psalms...
First of all, one has to be careful with the 'Ready to pass away' thing - According to Yeshua, it cannot pass away until every jot and tittle of Torah AND the Prophets is fulfilled. That time, according to Yeshua in His Revelation is unarguably at the moment of the last trumpet:
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
And it may take much longer than that - As Torah and the prophets go well beyond the Kingdom... But the mystery given to His prophets is finished at that time, so one would at least have to get to there.
As to the Temple, the problem with your position is that it ignores Ezekiel's Temple, described in great detail, with sacrifices and processes that have never been performed before... That temple, where the whole world comes to (on the three Holy Days that require it)... That Temple, where the Prince who will come will take his breakfast, on the porch of the Eastern Gate... The Eastern Gate, which has remained shut for the exclusive use and purpose of that Prince. That same gate where He will arrive in power and glory after touching down on the Mount of Olives...
I know that it is a tradition among Christians that the 'triumphal entry' fulfilled that last bit, but such a claim is made in ignorance - The triumphal entry had to have happened at the northern gate - the way to Bethlehem.
No, that Eastern Gate must be there for His arrival - And if it is there, so then too must the Temple be there. Until every jot and tittle is done, it will certainly come to pass.
I don't think that's right...
They will be saved out of great peril - probably the Magog War - And their Savior will reveal Himself to them... And they will look upon him who they have pierced... At the end of Magog, the Jews purify the land - That speaks to me of conversion as a nation. The Muslims will be gone. I think that is the time for the Temple's construction.
Just as before, satan's seed will sit upon the Throne of YHWH, claiming to be YHWH - That requires a legitimate throne to be there. What that means, is a throne in the Holy of Holies, or more likely this time, THE Throne: the Ark of the Covenant.
That is why I see the War of Magog as separate from the war of Har Megiddo.
The season, yes. The day and hour, no.
Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only."
After the graves are spread wide open, those of us who have not died will get the ride of our lives...On the way up our bodies will change into glorified bodies and then head due North at the speed of light
Only the speed of light?
How limiting.
Dead bodies?
What about those whose body was completely destroyed by fire or being dinner for wild animals or...?
Revelation 3:20
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
I guess John must have heard it wrong.
AFTER the GWT judgment?
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