Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

[michaelwlf3]

I am coming up on my first year as an ordained minister in a continuing Anglican church, and I have noticed that participating on political forums (even when the topic is religious) I find that my opinions and postings more often than not generate more hatred than anything else. Among the things I often hear are that the laity are the real priests and that I am a Pharisee, that my vocation disqualifies me from offering an opinion on anything Christian because I am too narrow minded, and (my personal favorite) because I look too Catholic I must be a child molester.

Are these people really Christians?

[MamaB]

What are you talking about? I said something about a message on bother site.

[MamaB]

Spell check!!! Another instead of border.

[evangmlw]

You will find very few preachers in pulpits who equal my conservative theology, and I preach against sin as hard as anyone around the world. I also understand that which is not clearly defined as sin and immoral in the Scriptures, present the Christian with liberty.

[xone]

Two paragraphs after, however, the 2 paragraphs on the Jews don’t say much that is definite. Besides, how does this section of the Catechism square with EENS?

[Legatus]

Oh I don’t disagree that the paragraph on the Jews is weird or that the whole thing doesn’t work with the traditional understanding of EENS. They try to explain it away in paragraph 846, but I find the whole thing very confusing.

[xone]

paragraph 846,

Wow! Plain language must be banned. EENS seems affirmed, and invalidating the earlier paragraphs, or not.

[editor-surveyor]

The “trinity” means different things to different people.

Nowhere in God’s word is a “trinity” mentioned.

That there is a Father, a Son, and a Holy Spirit does not make a trinity to worship.

All worship is due the Father, in the name of the Son.

Catholics and their other unscriptural off-shoots try to make “The Trinity” another entity to worship, but that is simply not to be found in the scriptures.

Every place where the words “The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” are found, they are modifications of the scriptures by men, long after they were written by the apostles.

Those groups that you mention are not a part of the body of Yeshua anyway.

[editor-surveyor]

Where are you going?
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[Legatus]

Plain language must be banned.

Almost everything that's come out of Rome for the last 50 years looks like something a UN committee collaborated on rather than the clear statements of the past which at least a person knew if he agreed or disagreed with.

[Elsie]

So you reject the Holy Trinity then, cause that's the next line?

HuH?

I clearly said what I reject:

Even the goofy RCCatholicism claims about Mary and her superpowers?

[Elsie]

So you don’t believe in the Trinity, either?

can't you use your OWN straw?

[Elsie]

All through it.

That's a mighty BIG haystack - got any clues as to make it a bit easier to find the needle?

[Elsie]

Please feel free to posit your interpretation(s) thereof.

It says EXACTLY what it means.

Although I suppose that YOUR definitions of HATE and LOVE may not be the same as mine.

[Elsie]

I thought there were only a few religions which do not believe in the Trinity. —— Mormons, Christian Scientists and Jehovah Witnesses plus Muslims.

The MORMONs seem a bit conflicted about it...

 

Trinity:

 

found in the Book of MORMON        -----------   rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants 

Book of Mormon: Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29) ...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44) ...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21) ...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7) ...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5) ...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8) "Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15) "And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)

Doctrine and Covenants: According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32) And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20) Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)

 

 

[Karl Spooner]

After re-reading your comment, I am sorry that I jumped on you. I Guess I was seeing red.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “ got any clues as to make it a bit easier to find the needle?” <<

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Jump out of an air plane into the haystack?
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[Elsie]

7th Day Adventists also don’t believe in the Trinity... I think...

I wonder if these groups believe in the Binary; seeing how it is SO plain in Genesis chapter one:

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

[Elsie]

Are you a Jehovah’s Witness? They don’t believe in the Trinity, either.

 

If you have cable TV, there won’t be much on to watch.

 

 

 

 

If there isn’t much on to watch, you will answer your door whenever someone rings.

 

 

 

 

If you open your door, you will see mormons.

 

 

 

 

If you talk to mormons, they will trick you into “praying about whether something is true”.

 

 

 

 

If you rely on your feelings, you may become a mormon.

 

 

 

 

If you become a mormon, you will have to wear magic underwear!

 

 

 

 

If you wear magic underwear, people will immediately label you as a cultist.

DON’T be a cultist!
Get DirectTV.

[michaelwlf3]

Can I “like” this?

[michaelwlf3]

“That’s a mighty BIG haystack - got any clues as to make it a bit easier to find the needle?”

Frankly, I am surprised you have to ask. I have had my “arguing with non-trinitarians” thread for the month and you have answered the $64,000 question in this thread.

Start your own thread.