“Francis wants to achieve unity also by reforming the papacy”

Vatican Insider ^ | July 23, 2014 | IACOPO SCARAMUZZI

[NYer]

Ping!

[E. Pluribus Unum]

"Fundamental transformation" deja vu all over again.

[pgkdan]

Pope obama strikes again.

[defconw]

From what I read, the unity between Us and the East? I really don't think I would have a problem with that. The three major sticking points are authority (Bishops), Marriage and annulment. No?

[Sacajaweau]

http://news.yahoo.com/pope-calls-muslims-brothers-dome-rock-061917919.html

[i_robot73]

Socialists will be Socialists....

[SumProVita]

“Fundamental transformation” deja vu all over again.

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Looks more like a return to fundamentals to me.

“That they all may be one; as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that you have sent me.” John 17:21

;-)

[Uncle Miltie]

Let me know when the Pope is not a leftist, and I’ll pay attention again.

[utahagen]

Also, the Orthodox; don't have a big problem with birth control; aren't strong enough on abortion (they allow abortions in some cases); and are ok with IVF (as long as donor gametes are not used).

[CynicalBear]

Wow! Just wow! This pope surely doesn’t follow the example of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.

[defconw]

That is something that will have to hashed out then. I would have to look more closely at the Orthodox model on these. I have swimming headache and so much on the net is BS. So I will reserve judgment. I think we have an Eastern Caucus, perhaps someone should ping them to join us?

[Alex Murphy]

Let me know when the Pope is not a leftist, and I’ll pay attention again.

Ouch!

[Trapped Behind Enemy Lines]

I would think any possible reunification of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches would have address the issue of compulsory clerical celibacy as Orthodox priests are permitted to be married.

[pgkdan]

as Orthodox priests are permitted to be married.

So are Catholic priests of almost all the Eastern Rites. Not an issue at all.

[NYer]

The three major sticking points are authority (Bishops), Marriage and annulment. No?

FWIU, the 3 major differences between us are authority, the filioque clause and unity.

Authority or Papacy: For the Roman Catholic Church, the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, has universal jurisdiction over all the Church. This is not true in Eastern Orthodoxy. They recognise the Bishop of Rome as being primus inter pares, first among equals, but as essentially equal to the other major patriarchs (Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem).

The filioque clause The famous cause of the Great Schism of 1054. This was a modification to the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed. The question was whether the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father, or from the Father and the Son. (filioque means "and from the Son".) For the Catholics, it is important that the phrase is used; for the Orthodox, it is breaking with tradition and perverting the doctrine of the Trinity. This problem is closely related to the above problems.

Church unity. What is necessary for the Church to be one? For Roman Catholics, it means participation in the organisation headed by the Pope. For the Orthodox, it means membership in one of the Orthodox churches, which are fully in communion with one another.

Insofar as married clergy, we have this in the Catholic Church, be it in converts to the Latin Church or in the Eastern Catholic Churches.

I have pinged one of our Orthodox freepers to help with this question.

[defconw]

Thanks for that. I forgot about the filioque. Lack of sleep I guess.

[ebb tide]

Sorry. Not at the expense of weakening the Catholic Faith or the Papacy.

Why doesn’t Francis also try to achieve unity with muslims and satanists, by reforming the papacy?

[ebb tide]

[SumProVita]

May God bless you with light.