It's called damage control.
Posted on 06/23/2014 6:17:59 PM PDT by Gamecock
And FRoman Catholics certainly do!
I didn’t know that. Thanks.
So many Catholics turned away because of Humanae Vitae, thinking "how could that dried up old man tell US how to live?"
Turns out that 'dried up old man' was pretty prescient, seeing as how most of what he predicted would happen as a result of procreation being separated from marriage, has, in fact occurred. But you'll never convince those disaffected Catholics of that.
old old red herring which you bring up with predictable regularity - however other protestants would not agree:
” Penn State professor Philip Jenkins (who is not a Catholic) has written the most objective book on the subject, and he summarizes his arguments in this excellent article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: “The Myth of the Pedophile Priest” (Link)
His findings can be summarized as follows:
Priestly celibacy is not the issue – married men are more likely to abuse children than unmarried
Most child abuse takes place within the home.
All religious groups have pedophile scandals, and the
Catholics (while the largest religious group) are at the bottom of the list statistically.
Child abuse is prevalent in all areas of society: schools, youth organizations, sports, etc.
Statistically, of all the professions, clergy are least likely to offend. Doctors, Farmers and Teachers are the professions most likely to abuse children–not clergy.
Among clergy offenders Catholic priests are least likely to offend.
Catholic cases of pedophilia make more headlines because of anti Catholic prejudice and because the Catholic Church is bigger and more lucractive to sue.
Mind you, this is not to deny that pedophilia, wherever found, is a depraved and disgusting act. Particularly so when the offender IS a priest, a group from which we have a right to expect the absolute highest standards. However, Philip Jenkins found, based on his own research and the comprehensive John Jay College of Criminal Justice study, that less than 1.8% of Catholic priests were ever implicated in any category of sexual misdeed -— in other words, over 98% were (and are) innocent.
These are the facts. Which should be important, to those who seek a fact-based view of this problem. “
For the Greater Glory of God
I posted a total of two words, and you serve up "red herring"? It's not even Friday yet!
Which is why it is best not to try to defend it.
Most of the Catholics who go evangelical are “make up your on religion Catholics” and tend to be very poorly catechized Catholics,[citation needed] and if truth be told,[citation needed] many are divorced Catholics who remarried and did not like to be told they could not receive Communion in the Catholic Church,[citation needed] so they go to a evangelical church..
This is just another damage-control assertion that is contrary to the research:
The percentage of adults Catholics who have been married and divorced is 28%, while Evangelicals were at 26%. Atheists or agnostic were at 30% - . http://www.barna.org/family-kids-articles/42-new-marriage-and-divorce-statistics-released
Over 75% of those who left Catholicism attended Mass at least once a week as children, versus 86% having done so who remain Catholics today.^
Regarding reasons for leaving Catholicism, less than 30% of former Catholics agreed that the clergy sexual abuse scandal played a role in their departure. ^
71% of converts from Catholicism to Protestant faith said that their spiritual needs were not being met in Catholicism, with 78% of Evangelical Protestants in particular concurring, versus 43% of those now unaffiliated. ^
Only Protestants Only 23% (20% now evangelical) converts from Catholicism were unhappy about Catholicism's teachings on abortion/homosexuality (versus 46% of those now unaffiliated); 23% also expressed disagreement with teaching on divorce/remarriage; 16% (12% now evangelical) were dissatisfied with teachings on birth control, 70% said they found a religion the liked more in Protestantism.
55% of evangelical converts from Catholicism cited dissatisfaction with Catholic teachings about the Bible was a reason for leaving Catholicism, with 46% saying the Catholic Church did not view the Bible literally enough.
81% of all Protestant converts from Catholicism said they enjoyed the service and worship of Protestant faith as a reason for joining a Protestant denomination, with 62% of all Protestants and 74% Evangelicals also saying that they felt God's call to do so. ^
But if anything, if these souls were looking for a church they could feel at home in then they would have stayed in Rome. http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html#MORAL
and many of those types never really at their core leave Catholic Church as many of them continue to vent over leaving it or attack the faith of their ancestors. I do believe in many instances the happiness they project in their new found evangelical protestant faith is a façade.
This is a rather interesting examping of Roman reasoning in damage control, which reminds me of the homosexuals who insist those who oppose them are driven by a secret fear they may be one!
Consistent with this, we may surmise the apostles were crypto-Judaizers, unhappy with their new faith since they attacked it. Even the Pharisees did not think of that one.
And nothing in those statistics is inconsistent with what I stated. I was only referring to Catholic priests and where they go when they leave. Very few go to fundamentalist or evangelical protestant groups.
From what we know, but as said, that is no surprise, since these ones are the closest to Rome, including being liberal overall.
Nor can deacons, unless a rare dispensation from the pope is granted. Both of which are not Scriptural teachings, as elsewhere shown.
you are pathetically predictable.
I’ll jump in here:
of all of the four Evangelicals I know who are fallen away Catholics....all are divorced and remarried to Evangelicals.
proof of nothing but consistency...
plus they are the most poorly catechized people I have ever met, really poor examples of Catholics...but great examples of Evangelicals.
AMDG
Nearly all Evangelical churches and that includes Baptist, just to be clear. I can't think of a single Evangelical church organization that doesn't but since I do not have personal knowledge of every single one I will just say most and leave it at that.
It’s called “sour grapes”. ;o)
Well then a RC has spoken and that settles it! Forget the surveys that show Catholics have more divorce than evangelicals, and less than one in 4 expressed disagreement with Cath. teaching on divorce/remarriage, as you know a whopping 4 (four) Evangelicals converts from Catholicism who were divorced and remarried.
You have learned well from your autocratic master. Don't follow her to Hell.
It's called damage control.
Amazing how many people go through life with things constantly going over their heads.
They have to go over their heads, because their heads are chock-full of people living inside them rent-free.
Captain Kirk: Wait, Mr. Spock! We have yet to try the Vulcan mind meld, where you actually enter the alien's brain, merge with his intelligence and read his thoughts.
Mr. Spock: I entered Mr. Goodman's mind while you were talking to Dr. McCoy, Captain. It was all...all dark and empty in there. And...and there were little mice in the corners and spiders had spun this web.
Captain Kirk: Spock!
Mr. Spock: I kept bumping my head on the ceiling, and once...
Captain Kirk: Snap out of it, Spock!
Mr. Spock: [with a shudder] It's okay, Captain. I'm all right now.
-- from The Last Voyage Of The Starship Enterprise, Saturday Night Live, 05/29/76
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