Posted on 05/27/2014 7:17:59 AM PDT by Gamecock
Francis took off his shoes to step into the gold-topped dome, which enshrines the rock where Muslims believe the Prophet Mohammad ascended to heaven.
Speaking to the grand mufti of Jerusalem and other Muslim authorities, Francis deviated from his prepared remarks to refer not just to his "dear friends" but "dear brothers."
"May we respect and love one another as brothers and sisters," he said, and added, "May we learn to understand the suffering of others! May no one abuse the name of God through violence!"
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I guess Franky forgot to push the magic infallibility button before shooting his fool mouth off.
Let me fix that for you:
I guess Franky forgot to push the magic infallibility button before shooting his fool mouth off, AGAIN.
Understand and agree fully. Here's the 'but'. But what exactly did this visit to the Mufti of Jerusalem and kind words do to comfort the Syrian Christians being murdered and persecuted?
Amen good post. The only dealings any Christian should have in or near a mosque is to preach the Gospel AS WE WERE COMMANDED TO DO.
‘Creepy.
I’ve seen the face, FWIW. There are mirror images from the same slab in several places that have darkened over time. Our arab guide (only ones allowed to work there) said it was an “intentional act of sabotage” — not sure how, but that’s the excuse.
Looked like a fly-man.’
Thanks so much for a firsthand account! Creepy is the word. Fascinating, yet creepy. ‘Sabotage’. Oh, that is so funny. Satan is sabotaging them by slowly but surely allowing his demonic face to appear. Lol. (Maybe it does looks part fly, but to me it looks 100-percent demonic.)
Same impression I got reading it the first time, second, third and .....
Please read the 'fine print' of the EWTN monologue.
I know. Then there’s the whole “Immaculate Conception” business.
Amen!
Maybe it is the slow appearance of the awaited "hidden" or 12th Imam:)
‘Maybe it is the slow appearance of the awaited “hidden” or 12th Imam:)’
You added a smiley...but what a scary thought. You know, sooner or later time will cease, & judgment will come upon the world. Just as Satan inadvertently played a role in bringing salvation to the world [Satan entered Judas, who betrayed the Lord—sending him to the cross which, unbeknownst to Satan, played a crucial role in Jesus’ victory over sin & death], the devil could play a key role in drawing history to a close. His ‘appearance’ as the 12th Imam could be a reality—a very real part of the impending End.
[Please, no eschatological arguments. Despite what I just posted, I don’t go in for in-depth discussions along those lines. I just found the connection, however jokingly made, between Islam, the 12th Imam & Satan irresistible. It was a one off comment, though; no more will follow.]
Quote of the Pope, from the article...“May we respect and love one another as brothers and sisters,” he said, and added, “May we learn to understand the suffering of others! ** May no one abuse the name of God through violence!” **
Hoss...”the remark about the usual popery equating those in Christ — Christians — with those who are NOT in Christ — the lost.”
Nowhere does anybody “equate” Christians with those who are not in Christ.
“According to John, we’re to not even admit them to our homes or greet them lest we partake of the same wickedness.”
I suggest you go read 2 John 1:6-11, in context and with the aid of a preacher, so you can understand your misunderstanding. I would imagine that it would be fairly difficult to take on the great Commission, if our hearts were that hardened.
If Pope Francis meant this as an encouragement to seeing each and every person as our brothers and sisters of the human race, then, I don't see that much of a problem with what he said. He's trying to be all-inclusive, rather than exclusive and that should be fine. It's when he says things that can be taken as blurring the lines between what our disparate faiths profess and sounding as if what a person believes isn't more important than just being nice to each other, then that is why he is being criticized.
If what he said was just an off the cuff remark, that's one thing. If he said it in the presence of reporters and other Muslims, I think he might want to more carefully choose his words - realizing that one of his predecessors was castigated for honoring a Koran with a kiss and how that might play out to other Catholics that their head guy didn't try to set apart the Christian faith from that of Islam. He's learning - I hope.
"Quote of the Pope, from the article...“May we respect and love one another as brothers and sisters,”"
"...may we..."
Who is "we"? Who does the popester usually represent? He continues...
"...brothers and sisters..."
Hmmm. Until you can read the obvious, best thing for you to do is to attend to the board in your eye before claiming there is a mote in mine. 2 John does not remove our charge of the Great Commission; but the context as written seems pretty clear to me. If someone is teaching a false gospel, we're not to take part with it. If the pope is saying we're brothers and sisters, and we worship the same God (which the CCC teaches), then it seems to me to fit.
Is Mohammedism the true Gospel, or not?
Believe it or not, I get your point; but to equate them as believers (as the pope does by calling them "brothers and sisters" then makes the admonition in 2 John fall exactly into context.
Hoss
Let me try it from this angle then: in "context" we should ignore everything uttered by the pope. He preaches a false Gospel. Better?
Either way seems to fit. Pick one.
Hoss
“May we respect and love one another as brothers and sisters”
Unless you are a swami mind reader, there is no specific equating of, “as brothers and sisters”, to mean “you are our Christian brothers and sisters”.
It is a simple call to love one another. Any other assumptions are simply that, and appear to stretches, with no foundation.
I'm going by "context" -- pretty simple really. Unless you are a swami mind reader and can prove otherwise, I'm pretty comfortable connecting the dots that seem to me to be pretty obvious.
Another poster mentioned earlier upthread that if he meant "brothers and sisters" in the sense of we are all humans.... I can buy that. However, I haven't seen those terms used outside of a faith-based connotation.
Hoss
What evidence do you have of this particular Pope, who I have much disagreement with, equating Muslims with Christians?
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