Posted on 05/19/2014 5:58:54 PM PDT by Gamecock
Catholics are constantly harping on virginity and treat sex like it's a curse on mankind and it's virtuous to abstain and deny oneself. Why do Catholics think sex is bad?
Re: Chapter 7.... There's 40 verses in it. What needs explaining away of those verses?
This?
1 Corinthians 7:2-5 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
"8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do."
1 Corinthians 7:6-9 Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
Paul said that an elder or deacon should be the husband of one wife. Those are the qualifications he laid down for leadership in the church.
Since when does that mean that God changed His mind that it is not good for man to be alone?
Also, demanding celibacy is the mark of a cult.
1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.
Priestly celibacy is unscriptural, was not always a part of the Roman church (the OTC that never changes except when it does), was instituted for the wrong reasons (economic- the loss of money by the church), and has done nothing to promote purity, dedication, or loyalty to God and the church.
The continual reports of priests and popes over the millennia of adultery, fornication, pedophilia, etc, shows that the vows of celibacy are treated with contempt. They are not practiced by the men who take them, the consequences are not enforced by the church that demands them of the men entering the priesthood.
The Catholic church as some seriously warped views on sex and obviously considers it, even in the context or marriage, as a bad thing.
If they didn't, they wouldn't promote virginity as such a high ideal for mankind to reach, going against God's command to be fruitful and multiply.
They are forcing the men who want to be Catholic priests to disobey one of God's first commands to mankind.
"Paul said that an elder or deacon should be the husband of one wife. Those are the qualifications he laid down for leadership in the church."
What was that you said about context? In the event that the man in question was married (it would have been very unusual for an older man not to be) then he should be a faithful husband and conscientious father. There is nothing that says you MUST be married to be a church leader.
"Also, demanding celibacy is the mark of a cult."
Says you. Where does it say that in the bible?
"Priestly celibacy is unscriptural, was not always a part of the Roman church (the OTC that never changes except when it does), was instituted for the wrong reasons (economic- the loss of money by the church), and has done nothing to promote purity, dedication, or loyalty to God and the church."
It is not unscriptural. Christ came to fulfill the law. The old Testament Levite priests were required to remain celibate only while serving in the sanctuary. Because the Catholic priesthood is the perfection of the OT priesthood through Christ's fulfillment of the law, it is logical for Catholic priests to remain celibate at all times.
"The continual reports of priests and popes over the millennia of adultery, fornication, pedophilia, etc, shows that the vows of celibacy are treated with contempt."
Statistically there is as much abuse committed by Protestant ministers/church workers as by Catholic Priests/church workers. So by all appearances celibacy doesn't affect the issue one way or another.
Nobody said it meant within marriage. Or that it meant derogating marriage in any way.
If you care to know what Jesus said, google for it. Look for those who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom.
And so, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, ends Christendom on earth in one generation.
It’s ludicrous for a church to teach that after God told Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth and subdue it.
Now the Catholic church puts for celibacy and virginity as the highest ideal after God made man to procreate and commanded him to do so.
Clearly the enemy would love nothing more than to drive a wedge into relationships.
Let me see. I can decide to obey the church or God.
Is that really a choice?
Rationalize, extrapolate, explain away as much as you like. These words are what they are.
I take it you’re single then.
I take it thats none of your business but yes, as luck would have it I am unmarried.
Luck?
What does luck have to do with it?
I don’t suppose your own personal decision had anything to do with it?
Do you think the rest of us have someone hold a gun to our heads to force us into marriage? That is just happened to us without our consent?
Its just a common turn of phrase. I’m sorry I supposed your vocabulary was sufficient to account for it.
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