Purgatory is in the Bible

Tim Staples' Blog ^ | March 11, 2014 | Tim Staples

[Salvation]

Exactly when did this happen. I’ve never heard of it before. Just that the hand-copied Bibles were chained to the ambo (podium) because they were so precious AND expensive.

But that’s going way back in time.

[MamaB]

I can not believe you are still telling lies. We have baptism all the time and they are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You need to do some research on this before posting falsehoods. I was baptized that way many years ago.

[MamaB]

LOL. Where do you get this junk? I have attended services at many churches and every one taught baptism.

[MamaB]

Amen.

[Salvation]

http://www.jesuswalk.com/lessons/16_19-31.htm

[MamaB]

I am 70 years old and I have heard that in Protestant churches all my life. In some, the minister was really excited about baptizing people.

[MamaB]

I believe it was during the Middle Ages. I do not have my genealogy papers here. I remember reading about The Plague and whole towns dying about the same time. Look it up.

[Salvation]

I found this chart:
https://sp2.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608034259615550714&pid=15.1

[Salvation]

Another look

http://hector.ucdavis.edu/evenings/00Images/ART/tlma.gif

[gitmo]

Did they have commas in the original text? You learn something new every day.

[HossB86]

Yet it does not explain the differences in the accounts between Matthew/Mark, Luke, and John. Hence, I believe all of them and speculate on what may have occurred where the text is silent.

However, these differences do not indicate anything regarding purgatory's reference in the scriptures (speaking of silence in the text... when it comes to purgatory, the silence is deafening).

Regardless of the differences in Gospels, the story in Luke is instructive as to the way salvation works: it is based on faith in Christ and has nothing to do with works. Any works. At all. There is no room for speculation in that regard.

Hoss

[metmom]

And the Catholics had people killed who wanted their own copy of the Bible. I did not realize it was so bad until I was doing genealogy research on my late husband’s ancestors. The Catholics did not want the common people to have their own copy which they could read for themselves. Why were they so afraid of that?

Of course, they're in denial that the Catholic church ever did that but history proves otherwise.

Catholics prohibited from owning Scripture

COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books.

Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters, Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980 by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195, citing S. R. Maitland, Facts and Documents [illustrative of the history, doctrine and rites, of the ancient Albigenses & Waldenses], London, Rivington, 1832, pp. 192-194.

The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon:

“No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments in the Romance language, and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.” (-D. Lortsch, Historie de la Bible en France, 1910, p.14.)

[mlizzy]

Dead people can't come back and communicate with the living...What is appearing to people in the form of apparitions of dead relatives, etc, is demons...Anyone who has visitations or apparitions is experiencing demonic activity.

Evidently, they can, and they did, in regard to Padre Pio: http://www.helpersoftheholysouls.com/ourpatron_plus/purgatory_saints/StPioOfPietrelcina.htm

[metmom]

No so for Jimmy Swaggart and his ilk, who belief there is need to be baptised.

I didn't know you were such a fan of Swaggart.

Or does he just live in your head rent free 24/7?

Can't say as I've ever watched him myself.

Televangelists are a notch or two below used car salesmen and accident injury ambulance chasers.

[metmom]

It’s a demonic apparition telling the suckers just what they want to hear.

[metmom]

“Reportedly able to bi-locate, levitate, and heal by touch.”

Bi-location and levitation are demonic activities.

[NKP_Vet]

Your views are almost identical to his. If you’ve never watched Jimmy Swaggart you certainly had me fooled. He puts down all things Catholic, which is going against scripture and 2,000 years of Christian theology.

[af_vet_1981]

it is based on faith in Christ and has nothing to do with works. Any works. At all. There is no room for speculation in that regard.

I have the inspired words of a genuine apostle and saint who personally knew the LORD. I believe him. He is telling us the truth here.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

[HossB86]

Already told you: James is saying faith without works is dead. True! If you have faith — SAVING FAITH — it will manifest itself with good works.

Get this — and you should if you actually READ the passage you quoted — did you catch the part about “I will shew thee my faith by my works” ??

Hint: works are a fruit of the spirit — works are a sign of faith. Works alone do not save. They cannot save. Works with faith cannot save. Faith (remember Ephesians 2?) and grace — and not by works so no one can boast. But, if you have genuine faith, you WILL have works.

And, again, this STILL does not have anything to do with the discussion of purgatory. Which, by the way, still does not exist and has NO foundation in scripture.

Hoss