Posted on 05/01/2014 3:20:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Familiar ground rationally discussed here. There are a couple of worthwhile personal experiences posted.
I also recommend “The Wisdom of Near-Death Experiences: How understand NDEs can help us live more fully” by Dr. Penny Sartori
Perhaps that's why it's called a Near Death Experience, no?
Are you saying that you don’t believe the Bible? Jesus didn’t raise Lazarus from the dead according to you? I think you are mistaken.
Hence “NEAR death”. Been there done that.
I find it difficult to believe that Christians should look at Jesus bringing Lazarus back from the dead as being the new normative experience.
“Abraham rejoiced to see My day...God is God of the living, not of the dead”
The 3 children of Fatima were taken to see heaven and hell. I believe there were many other accounts among saints and holy people. They all attest to the happiness of heaven but also tell of hell much like Dante described.
The patients sometimes would describe what was going on to her and close to the end what they were seeing although they could not really describe it. One day she got called in on her day off. She had been working about an hour and another building called her and told her to get to her grandmothers room STAT. Her grandmother was in her last couple of hours and she was with her. In the final minutes she watched her grandmothers hand movements. She had been a piano and voice teacher and her hand movement were her directive ones.
In ICU she heard a monitor go off meaning someones heart wasn't beating. The nurses rushed in and check and asked her if she was OK. She said yea but that person across the rooms alarm went off. They told her that was yours no one is over there. The next thing in ICU she remember was fear and suddenly feeling the bed rocking as if it were rocking bed.
My dad tells me of something he saw after his dad had passed. He was in the Navy when word came and he went home on leave. WW2 had just ended. They released him on a hardship so he could care for his mother and two minor siblings.
He said he was awake laying in bed and his dad walked in the room and sat down on his bed and looked at him a minute then got up and left. He never said nothing. Dad wasn't one to make up stories or tall tales especially on something like this.
I believe near death experiences many times are what our spirit witnesses and not as such our physical being. For whatever reason it may not be time for the spirit to depart from the earthly body even if the earthly body is at death. GOD breathes life into us. It is His to give or takeaway, extend or cut short, for our own sake or the sake of others.
Do you realize that hypoxia (lack of oxygen) causes euphoria (a sense of well being)?
God declared that ‘life is in the blood’. So, when the blood is dead, you really are dead; the blood broken down to where even ‘harvesting’ some organs is pointless. I think it was just this sort of understanding that possibly caused the Lord to delay his visit to Lazarus’ tomb. Four days.....; he definitely took it ‘over the top’, making sure no one could dispute that that was truly a resurrection from the dead.
Thank you for sharing.
Baloney. Those are assumptions based on nothing.
They have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I’ve seen more than enough Catholics use that same tactic on this board. It’s disingenuous.
Thanks for the ping. I think people report having different Near Death Experiences because they go to different places.
In cases where they report different experiences of heaven, it is worth remembering that the New Testament Greek word translated “heaven” is actually plural — heavens.
God works all miracles — even near death experiences.
About 29 years ago my wife and I worked in a nursing home. I was not involved in patient care but she was. She worked as a Nurses assistant for 5 years. In that time she sat with many dieing patients in their final hour and seconds. When a patient told you I'm going home I won't be here tomorrow they didn't mean they were going back to their residence. It usually meant next morning when you got to work they told you the patient passed earlier.
The patients sometimes would describe what was going on to her and close to the end what they were seeing although they could not really describe it. One day she got called in on her day off. She had been working about an hour and another building called her and told her to get to her grandmothers room STAT. Her grandmother was in her last couple of hours and she was with her. In the final minutes she watched her grandmothers hand movements. She had been a piano and voice teacher and her hand movement were her directive ones.
My wife has has several near death experiences which began a couple of months after we had met. The first one I was with her and she collapsed at a mall. She had suddenly lost all ability to move her limbs. I put her in her car and was rushing her to the ER. She was in the process of leaving this world and was describing it to me quite clearly. Yes she did see lights. She was also at peace during this. This was about 3:00pm. We made it to the ER and the first night was touch and go.
In ICU she heard a monitor go off meaning someones heart wasn't beating. The nurses rushed in and check and asked her if she was OK. She said yea but that person across the rooms alarm went off. They told her that was yours no one is over there. The next thing in ICU she remember was fear and suddenly feeling the bed rocking as if it were rocking bed.
My dad tells me of something he saw after his dad had passed. He was in the Navy when word came and he went home on leave. WW2 had just ended. They released him on a hardship so he could care for his mother and two minor siblings.
He said he was awake laying in bed and his dad walked in the room and sat down on his bed and looked at him a minute then got up and left. He never said nothing. Dad wasn't one to make up stories or tall tales especially on something like this.
I believe near death experiences many times are what our spirit witnesses and not as such our physical being. For whatever reason it may not be time for the spirit to depart from the earthly body even if the earthly body is at death. GOD breathes life into us. It is His to give or takeaway, extend or cut short, for our own sake or the sake of others.
A metaphysical naturalist cannot deal with qualia - things which can only be experienced and cannot be conveyed, e.g. love/hate, pain/pleasure.
He also cannot deal with mind, soul or spirit and must declare them to be epiphenomena of the physical brain. Epiphenomena are secondary phenomena which cannot cause anything to happen.
If he really buys such nonsense, why would he accept an award - after all his brain did it? How could he ever justify punishing the whole physical body for something the brain did? LOLOL!
Thank you for sharing.
They’re still alive.
Ask Martin’s daughter about that. She might tell a different story than the sanitized Hanegraaff version.
Self-ping for later.
I've read that when children have NDEs, Catholic children are far more likely to report seeing the Virgin Mary during their time in Heaven. Protestant children almost never report this. I'd like to believe that NDEs are real, but things like this make me wonder.
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