Posted on 03/24/2014 6:24:52 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
Excommunication is a difficult, arduous process.
I couldn’t agree more that our many “Catholic” pro-abortion politicians should be excommunicated. But the process of doing so makes it impossible.
We have bishops who, even though it is undoubtedly a mortal sin to give Communion to pro-aborts, insist on doing it anyway.
So how are you going to get bishops who do not shy away from committing hundreds and thousands of mortal sins, for decades on end, to do the right thing about anything? It took about $3,000,000,000 worth of lawsuits to get them to care about sexual crimes.
The difference of opinion ought to mandate an arduous process to get it right. Right now it seems swayed by political motives.
Obviously you posted those Scripture quotes to make a point about the original post. What was it?
My guess is neither of the above. My educated guess based on his words and actions so far leads me to believe that he agrees with the so-called "pastoral approach".
Obviously you posted those Scripture quotes to make a point about the original post. What was it?
If that is the case, then he’s in favor of mortal sin.
Cardinal Burke proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that giving Communion in violation of Canon 915 is a mortal sin.
There’s no question.
Wuerl is a notorious homosexual. He caters to Nancy Pelosi and other pro-abortion politicians because they need only to give the word, and the press would splash the truth about Wuerl all over the front pages. As long as he serves them, they will protect him.
Of course, such an examination of "conscience" needs to be one done in the light of Church teachings, not in light of one's own misguided conscience (because, for example, we all know that Pelosi thinks she's right in being pro-abortion according to *her* conscience).
It seems to me that you are taking one Scripture reading alone rather than taking it along with other readings as well as other Church teachings that have been handed down to us as Sacred Tradition.
The Church calls it an ‘examination of conscience”
and such an examination should result in going to confession.>>>
Confess what? if his conscience is clear what would he need to confess, he can take communion, that is what Paul said.
It seems to me that you are taking one Scripture reading alone rather than taking it along with other readings as well as other Church teachings that have been handed down to us as Sacred Tradition>>>>>
It seems your Church is mixing the scriptures up so bad that not even the clergy can agree on them which is what the thread was about.
I repeat myself. The Catholic Church stood alone after Roe w. Wade to do everything in it’s power to stop abortion. Without the Catholic Church there would be no Pro-life movement in the United States. Letting a pro-abortion politician receive communion is another story. But I’ve said it before the Catholic Church position is who knows who went to confession before receiving communion. I don’t agree with that position, but it’s really the person’s decision. If they want to receive the Lord in a state of sin, they;re the ones that will have to answer in the end. Pro-abortion politicians have already excommunicated themselves when they promote abortion and sodomite “marriage”. Would be be nice if their bishop called them on the carpet? Of course it would, but most will not do it. I pray every day that these spineless bishops will start acting like Cardinal Burke, but I don’t lose sleep over it because I know it’s not going to happen.
Ah, “your” Church. That explains things.
Nevermind.
Since Canon 915 concerns only people whose sins are “manifest,” i.e., notorious, there’s no question of priests’ needing to read anyone’s mind.
Moreover, there’s no question of someone’s going to confession and then being unjustly denied Communion, because in the case of pro-abortion politicians, any sincere Confession would have to be followed by a public announcement of repentance. A person who has been publicly pro-abortion MUST make a public announcement, or he cannot be absolved.
If a thief goes to Confession, and refuses to return what he stole, he cannot be absolved. In exactly the same way, a pro-abortion politician who refuses to make a public announcement of repentance cannot be absolved. It is impossible for him to be absolved his sins secretly, and then be unjustly denied Communion.
This is untrue. The reason they must be denied Communion is that they are persons who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, not because they are excommunicated--because they are not excommunicates.
It was and is the LAITY who are the pro-life movement. The vast majority of bishops have been dead weight or enemies.
Cardinal Bernardin gave the abortionists the greatest gift they ever got: the “Seamless Garment.” It was an elaborate, demonic rationalization for voting for pro-abortion politicians.
The bishops have not lifted a finger to deal with the legions of pro-abortion “nuns” (almost all of whom are religious sisters, not nuns).
Ah, “your” Church. That explains things.
Nevermind.
“It was and is the LAITY who are the pro-life movement”
Of course its the laity that does the footwork, most notably the Knights of Columbus, but I refuse to believe that Catholic priests (whether they’re bishops or not), believe in killing the unborn. Do I think a lot of them get the bighead and do more backslapping than spreading the gospel, of course I do. Dolan and Wuerl come to mind. And with that said, I am not saying there’s not plenty of bishops that are as liberal as the day is long.
I know a number of priests who have never voted for anyone but pro-abortion Democrats.
One such well-known priest is the infamous Fr. Pfleger in Chicago. He has sneered at pro-life people from the pulpit of his own church, as well as Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s bizarro church.
Oh, I am. I made the mistake of thinking you were Catholic though.
Then you are very, very naive.
Why would a priest tell you who they voted for. Never met a priest in my life, or anyone else that was very open about who they voted for.
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