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Mormon Church Head Thomas Monson Summoned by British Magistrates' Court Over Adam and Eve Teaching
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2/5/14 | John Bingham

Posted on 02/08/2014 12:07:25 PM PST by marshmallow

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To: marshmallow

If they were teaching about “toys” from the Adam and Eve catalog there would be no problem.


41 posted on 02/08/2014 2:10:51 PM PST by Renegade
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To: ansel12

Yes, and ?
This is something you and I find to be wrong.
But someone else could find what your religion or mine do to be similarly wrong. Imagine a suit against a Jewish Rabbi by a disgruntled Jewish convert claiming that he was led to commit grave bodily harm against himself or his children (circumcison).


42 posted on 02/08/2014 2:19:27 PM PST by buwaya
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To: dragonblustar

We are fighting for the right to prosletyze and teach and witness, if it comes to that.


43 posted on 02/08/2014 2:24:01 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Viennacon

Well, one judge’s bad ruling does not a Nation make. But, yeah, the ruling is absurd and will be overturned.


44 posted on 02/08/2014 2:25:27 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: buwaya

My concern is that we are also standing with a false prophet.

What I’m seeing in Christianity is that there seems to be a move to embrace all faiths as equal, that all gods are the same.

If you want to see a fight, take a look at this thread. one woman stands up to islam.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3120451/posts


45 posted on 02/08/2014 2:35:39 PM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Tax-chick

Oh, you again. ;-) Well, not sure of the burden of proof in jolly old England, but hopefully, it is the prosecution that must provide it false.


46 posted on 02/08/2014 2:35:46 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Its worse than that.
This opens the possibility of such litigation in the UK, raising the legal liability of any organized religion, and possibly that of many individuals. This will possibly increase rates for liability coverage and eat into resources and effectively hamper preaching and mission work.
And because the UK is somewhat open to transnational suits especially in the old empire, and since British cases are also used as precedents, the effects will potentially be very broad.


47 posted on 02/08/2014 2:35:52 PM PST by buwaya
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To: dragonblustar

You don’t have to go that far.
This matter is more fundamental.
On this issue, should they be sued on similar grounds, I would even back the Muslims.


48 posted on 02/08/2014 2:37:49 PM PST by buwaya
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Just Photoshop the scumbag ripping up a Koran—case over.


49 posted on 02/08/2014 2:38:29 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: servo1969
Are they going to say anything to the Scientologists?

The U.K. already said something to the Scientologists. The UK government had refused to recognize Scientology as a religion for decades, and a UK court once ruled it "pernicious nonsense."

In December 2013, then UK Supreme Court ruled that a Scientology chapel was a "place of meeting for religious purposes", rending it a religion to all practical purposes.

The UK government has expressed concern that the ruling will affect the current status that Scientology itself is not recognized by the government as a religion.

50 posted on 02/08/2014 2:39:00 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: ansel12

eh, major typo here. the Mormon god is not God.


51 posted on 02/08/2014 2:40:17 PM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: SgtHooper
I'm ubiquitous!

hopefully, it is the prosecution that must prove it false

That would certainly be an interesting effort.

52 posted on 02/08/2014 2:40:39 PM PST by Tax-chick (Tell the mad chameleon he's not welcome any more.)
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To: SgtHooper

LOL! Good idea.


53 posted on 02/08/2014 2:42:52 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare. The "global warming" of healthcare plans.)
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To: buwaya

I wasn’t commenting on the suit, I just thought that you might want to learn something about Mormonism, Scientology also gets a raw deal, but they made a deal with president Clinton to get legal status.


54 posted on 02/08/2014 2:43:13 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Defiant

“It’s not a fraud if they believe it.”

All fraud requires belief by those being defrauded.


55 posted on 02/08/2014 2:51:10 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Tax-chick
If a religious body can’t prove, to the satisfaction of a court, that its teachings are factually true

Perhaps this could be applied to liberalism, which fails every time it is tried.

56 posted on 02/08/2014 2:51:54 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: ansel12

I know a great deal about Mormonism. It is a particularly bizarre heresy. But I can accept the fact of Hindus and Buddhists, and pagans of all sorts, and for that matter even Muslims as long as they behave themselves. Its a big world.


57 posted on 02/08/2014 2:54:44 PM PST by buwaya
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To: aimhigh

Imagine a similar suit against the cult of Global Warming. Surely England has some sort of institutional “climate change” entity that could be the defendant.


58 posted on 02/08/2014 2:55:01 PM PST by Tax-chick (Tell the mad chameleon he's not welcome any more.)
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To: Tax-chick; SgtHooper

The case for the prosecution must be proved ‘beyond all reasonable doubt’ , the Crown will need the LORD himself in the witness box to obtain a safe conviction.
Then convince the court of appeal, followed by the ‘High court’ ,and House of Lords.
If the funds are still holding out ,EU court.
The laws on Religious freedom should kill this when it hits the Crown Prosecution service , before the initial hearing opens.


59 posted on 02/08/2014 3:08:34 PM PST by moose07 (the truth will out ,one day.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I am referring to the Mormon leaders. The definition of fraud requires a deliberate misstatement of fact. It requires intent to deceive. If the Mormons believe their own doctrine, which most do, then they cannot be guilty of fraud. Negligent misrepresentation, perhaps, if it can be said that they were negligent in believing their religion's doctrines. To make this argument would be government reaching a whole new level of oppression. Today Mormons, who many of us do believe have a ludicrous theology made up by Joseph Smith. Tomorrow, fundamentalist Christians and their literal interpretation of the Bible. After that, the state will declare that a belief in the Resurrection is a fraud, and prosecute churches for passing the collection plate.

The only fraud that should ever be considered is if someone created a cult and it could be proven they didn't really believe their own claims. You know, like Obama or Jim Jones.

60 posted on 02/08/2014 3:17:18 PM PST by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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