Posted on 01/12/2014 7:49:32 PM PST by restornu
CynicalBear
Everyone is entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts
I have to applaud you extensive work exposing the Mormon religion for the false cult it is. Your dedication and obvious hard work and research is truly appreciated. It’s amazing how God has drawn different people to different tasks. You have answered the call admirably. I'm sure I'm joined by many others when I say a hearfelt thank you. God is surely blessing your efforts
Then stop pushing the Satanic lies of Mormonism which include falsehoods and deception. Corrupting the word of God by the Mormons will lead to perdition.
What? This is somehow breaking news that legalistic religionists do that? And tend to miss out on the real relationship with the real Christ in the process?
(I think this has been goin' on for quite sometime now, Restornu):
"You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me..." (Jesus, John 5:39)
Oh...and btw, the better apologists on our side...when challenged...do what Apollos did:
"For he" (Apollos) "vigorously refuted his Jewish opponents in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Messiah." (Acts 18:28)
You see, there's just some things -- like a person's eternal destiny -- that's of tremendous import not to take a "ho hum" or ce la vie approach...
(Why not? Joseph Smith did)
"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Deseret, p. 327)
Of course, if these were so bad, Smith corrected them in his JST version, right?
And the Mormon church thereby mostly uses Smith's corrected JST version, right?
(Wrong! The Mormon church doesn't even have copyright privileges for it!)
“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9
(Why not? BYU professors like Robert L. Millet not only disregard the Bible entirely for ANY Mormon key doctrines, thereby "arguing" that the Bible has ANY bearing whatsoever upon the Mormon church...and individual Mormon lifestyles for that matter!):
Millet advised The Bible is NOT "our sole guide, our template, our standard against which we measure what we teach or believe" ... hence, ignoble based upon Acts 17:11...
Ignoble:
Definition: 1. not honorable in character or purpose. "ignoble feelings of intense jealousy" synonyms: dishonorable, unworthy, base, shameful, contemptible, despicable, dastardly, vile, degenerate, shabby...
(Perhaps Millet was a bit jealous that his precious Book of Mormon was being overshadowed by the Bible?)
Wow! An out and out denial of following scripture. Purely Satanic.
There's MORE crazy stuff?
(Thank you...applaud the Spirit of Truth who motivates and energizes me)
Yet another example of how MORMONs do NOT keep their OWN 'commandments':
The Doctrine and Covenants
Section 132
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831....58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.
59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.
60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.
61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.
64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.
65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.
66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.
What's your OPINION about MILLIONS dying in battle and not one single piece of evidence has been found?
Lookkee who won the kupie doll!
I'll miss seeing the look on your face when Brigham says, "I told you so..."
Very true. Pneumas is a neuter noun. In greek there are also female and male gender nouns.
These designations though don't have anything to do with whether or not something is a "person" or not and they don't have anything to do with the actual gender of a person or even it is a person.
A english pronoun that refers to greek "pnuema" or spirit should be "it" if there's no evidence of personhood or gender implied. Scripture does refer to the holy spirit multiple times as "it"..especially in older translations.
However due to the belief that the holy spirit is a separate "person" most modern English translators often use the pronoun "he" even when no personhood statement is implied or warranted.
In other words, the use of the english pronoun "he" only reflects the belief of the translator.
"Parakletos" is a masculine noun, but again that doesn't mean it's referring necessarily to male person. To my understanding there can be a female parakeltos, or intercessor. Or you could have a "parakletos" that isn't human...for example you have a poetic verse that say "the trees are a parakletos for nature".
So in and of itself the greek "gender" of a noun is not always helpful in determining whether something like "pnuema" is a person. In fact "pnuema" implies that like wind, *something* is there and having an effect...but we can only tell what it is by the effect.
It’s an omen!!
"Two passages in John call for a remark, inasmuch as they bear on the personality of the Holy Spirit. In 14:26...the relative ho follows the grammatical gender of pneuma. Ekeinos, however, skips over pneuma and reverts to the gender of parakletos. In 16:13 a more striking example occurs...Here one has to back six lines to ekeinos again and seven to parakletos. It is more evident therefore in this passage that John is insisting on the personality of the Holy Spirit, when the grammatical gender so easily called for ekeino. Cf. ho in Jo. 14:17,26 and auto in 14:17."
Source: A.T. Robertson, A Grammar of the Greek New Testament in Light of Historical Research (George H. Doran Co., NY, 1923, pp. 708-709)
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