Posted on 01/12/2014 7:49:32 PM PST by restornu
Let’s look at my statement one more time.
“The minute you declared that the Greek and Hebrew texts we have today are not trustworthy you have destroyed any and all foundation for your beliefs.”
I always refer back to the earliest Hebrew and Greek texts we have available.
Now as to those “books” referenced. Did the apostles or the Jewish leaders consider them scripture and preserve them? NO. Did Jesus ever quote them and say “it is written”? NO.Did God see fit to preserve them for us today? NO.
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This is like scramble eggs.
These are missing books and scriptures of God words that the Bible makes reference to
It matters not what men think if they needed to be preserved these are documents of the Lord..
Do hear yourself defended the works of men.
The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable but that are not found in the Bible today.
Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:
book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14);
book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18);
book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41);
book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29);
book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29);
book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29);
visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22);
book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15);
book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34);
sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19);
an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9);
possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3);
an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16);
and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14).
To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text but may perhaps be known by a different title;
for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7),
which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25);
the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22).
The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete.
Matthew’s reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no statement as such.
There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isa. 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David.
The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth.
Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jer. 23:5; 33:15; Zech. 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.
The Book of Mormon makes reference to writings of Old Testament times and connection that are not found in the Bible, the Book of Mormon, or in any other known source.
These writings are of Zenock, Zenos, and Neum (1 Ne. 19:10; Alma 33:3–17). An extensive prophecy by Joseph in Egypt (which is not in the Bible) is also apparent from 2 Ne. 3:4–22, and a prophecy of Jacob (not found in the Bible) is given in Alma 46:24–26.
These writings were evidently contained on the plates of brass spoken of in the Book of Mormon (1 Ne. 5:10–13).
Many like to edit Gal 1 to fit their scenario and ignore the Lord inquire to Paul through revelation.
Gal. 1 (Preachers of false gospels are accursed—Paul received the gospel by revelation—)
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Paul did correct but after all were gone from the earth there was a war for almost 3 hundred years all of the manuscripts were in jeopardy in-between that time now I am sure there were many good men at that council along with designing men and I don’t mean Arius.
Things are even now creeping in saying that representatives form Islam was among them... I don’t it is just strange it among the writings I did not look closely I have enough on my plate.
This isn't numerology but two is more significant for man then three is:
Gen_1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness...
Did God create 2, or 3?
Gen_1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Do you understand this? God created u in the image of the Godhead. Two.
Do you understand that when you say the Godhead is "3" that you're going directly against the creation and directly against what God said?
Look at what else he built into us, his creation:
Two arms. Two legs. Two hands. Two feet. Two nostrils. Two brain halves. Two reproductive organs. Two ears. Two eyes. Two kidneys. And on and on and on.
The human body literally SCREAMS two. It's as if God said..hey I want you guys to KNOW what the Godhead looks like. It's not enough to tell you scripture that man and woman represent the Godhead. I want you to not forget it so I'll build it into your bodies.
Could it be in the Lord’s wisdom prepared for his children through the Book of Mormon...
No.
Because it contradicts Scripture found in the Bible.
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It really doesn’t sad many will not do the home work to find out for themselves they just love spam and spin.
The Spirit of the Lord aka Holy Ghost
John 14 it is important to strive to keep His Commandments and than we have His Spirit.
15 ¶If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
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26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
I did not declare any such things. I declared that the version of 1 John 5:7 you posted is a fraud. It does NOT appear in the oldest of the greek manuscripts.
I believe that God has preserved his truth in scripture by making it impossible to corrupt it. He did this by making sure his scriptures were distributed far and wide.
The holy spirit leads and guides us to understand and know this truth.
Yes, I’ve seen that.
I’ve had FR ex-Mormons tell me that it does a very good job of summarizing Mormon teaching and theology.
No wonder they banned it. Mormonism reads like a bad sci-fi novel.
The planet Kolob?
For real????
First of all I want to make it clear I love the Bible I know it is the word of God, I know some places have been brought to life because of the Book of Mormon which testifies to the Bible.
It was the Bible it was my benchmark that I knew the Book of Mormon was true. Because it is the same spirit that talks to me when reading the scriptures.
I also know there was more that Lord had for the children and someday it will be restored to the earth.
It will be the hand of God that will make that happen we are living in the times of the Restoration of all things.
Did God say that humanity was then complete or did He tell them to multiply?
>> Do you understand this? God created u in the image of the Godhead. Two.<<
Body, soul and spirit. And to you that comes to two?
Anyone reading this can simply do a search as to the significance of the number 3 in scripture. Oh,,,,,,,and body, soul, and spirit…that’s three. In the image of the Godhead.
Please post your source for proof that they were ever considered scripture please.
>>Sometimes called missing scripture,<<
Please show where either the Jews, Jesus or the apostles ever considered them scripture please.
Please post the source of your cut and paste please. Those are obviously not your words or thoughts as evidenced by you other writing.
Exactly... :-)
>> Do you understand this? God created u in the image of the Godhead. Two.<<
Body, soul and spirit. And to you that comes to two?
Umm...no. That's three. IF you add "mind" it's 4. If you add "blood" it's 5. If you want to pick out three things it's easy.
Anyone reading this can simply do a search as to the significance of the number 3 in scripture. Oh,,,,,,,and body, soul, and spirit…that’s three. In the image of the Godhead.
That's not what it says. Two is the number of the Godhead:
Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Joh_10:30 I and My Father are one."
That's the beauty of God...he's consistent.
Because some who read these posts may not have the bandwidth available to them to watch videos.
What can I say towards those who have enmity towards my faith.
If you wanted to fine out about God would you go to Richard Dawkins?
My goodness you sound like a progressive
Marginalize the messenger who cares about substance...
and you cite v. 17 about the Holy Spirit...too...including this last portion: "for He DWELLS WITH you and will be in you."
What? Are we supposed to simply acknowledge but otherwise ignore the "indwelling part about the Holy Spirit" in v. 17?
Don't you see what you're doing?
I could pull the same type of stunt you're doing...Here, let me show you:
In his letters to the Corinthians, Paul ONLY talks about the Holy Spirit and God being entempled in us:
"16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?" (1 Cor. 3:16)
* "For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” (2 Cor. 6:16)
Why, per this fancy-dancy verse extraction process we're learnin' from DouglasKC, that must mean that since Paul didn't include "Jesus" as being entempled, that ONLY the Holy Spirit and "God" is.
You see the problem with this kind of uncharitable-cherry-verses-left-on-the-branch ways is that it's tantamount to citing 1 Cor. 3:16 & 2 Cor. 6:16 and conclude that's the entirety of what God said about a subject...and yet what did Paul say in...
Colossians 1:27?: ...Christ in you, the hope of glory.
The Holy Spirit indwells us (John 14:16-17; 1 Cor. 3:16);
Jesus indwells us (Col. 1:27; John 14:23; John 17:26) -- as He promised to be with us thru the end of the age (Matt. 28:20)
The Father indwells us (John 14:23; John 17:26; cf. 2 Cor. 6:16)
Can you point out the inaccuracies in the video?
Have you seen the latest CES 2014
http://www.lds.org/broadcasts/watch/ces-devotionals/2014/01?lang=eng
So who is that Holy Spirit? It can’t be the Son since when Jesus was baptized it came down on Him. It can’t be the Father because the Fathers voice was heard from heaven at that point.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
And here in Matthew we see again.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
And then we have this.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Who, in your opinion, is this Holy Spirit who intrudes on your beliefs?
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