The Holy Trinity: Sound Doctrine or a Man-Made Tradition?

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[Elsie]

It's too bad that SLC considers ALL of them to be APOSTATE!

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Media Letter   

26 June 2008 — Salt Lake City  (http://newsroom.lds.org/additional-resource/media-letter)

*The following is a letter from Elder Lance B. Wickman, General Counsel of the Church to publishers of major newspapers, TV stations and magazines. It was sent out on Tuesday, June 24, 2008.

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Recent events have focused the media spotlight on a polygamous sect near San Angelo, Texas, calling itself the “Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” As you probably know, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has absolutely no affiliation with this polygamous sect. Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated, and then started their own religion. To the best of our knowledge, no one at the Texas compound has ever been a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Unfortunately, however, some of the media coverage of the recent events in Texas has caused members of the public to confuse the doctrines and members of that group and our church. We have received numerous inquiries from confused members of the public who, by listening to less than careful media reports, have come to a grave misunderstanding about our respective doctrines and faith. Based on these media reports many have erroneously concluded that there is some affiliation between the two – or even worse, that they are one and the same.

Over the years, in a careful effort to distinguish itself, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has gone to significant lengths to protect its rights in the name of the church and related matters. Specifically, we have obtained registrations for the name “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Mormon,” “Book of Mormon” and related trade and service marks from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and corresponding agencies in a significant number of foreign countries.

We are confident that you are committed to avoiding misleading statements that cause unwarranted confusion and that may disparage or infringe the intellectual property rights discussed above. Accordingly, we respectfully request the following:

1. As reflected in the AP Style Guide, we ask that you and your organization refrain from referring to members of that polygamous sect as “fundamentalist Mormons” or “fundamentalist” members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
2. We ask that, when reporting about this Texas-based polygamous sect or any other polygamous group, you avoid either explicitly or implicitly any inference that these groups are affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
3. On those occasions when it may be necessary in your reporting to refer to the historical practice of plural marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that you make very clear that the Church does not condone the practice of polygamy and that it has been forbidden in the Church for over one hundred years. Moreover, we absolutely condemn arranged or forced “marriages” of underage girls to anyone under any circumstances.

Stated simply, we would like to be known and recognized for whom we are and what we believe, and not be inaccurately associated with beliefs and practices that we condemn in the strongest terms. We would be grateful if you could circulate or copy this letter to your editorial staff and to your legal counsel.

We thank you for your consideration of these important matters.

Sincerely,

Lance B. Wickman

General Counsel

[Tennessee Nana]

Why else did God give us His word if not so that we could know truth from error and have a rule of faith which is authoritative and by which all claims of truth must be measured?
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Fear not Joey Smith gave the keys of the priesthood to women too...in 1842

Apr 28, 1842 - At a Relief Society meeting Joseph Smith says,

“I now deliver it as a prophecy that before ten years shall roll round, the queens of the earth shall come and pay their respects to this Society—they shall come with their millions and shall contribute of their abundance for the relief of the poor.”

He also warns:

“Do not indulge too much in the gift of tongues, or the devil will take advantage of the innocent.”

Then he tells the women that

“the keys of the kingdom are about to be given to them that they may be able to detect everything false, as well as to the Elders. . . .I now turn the key to you in the name of God.”

In his diary Joseph writes that he met with

“the members of the “Female Relief Society” and after presiding at the admission of many new members gave a lecture on the Priesthood shewing how the sisters would come in possession of the privileges, blessings, and gifts of the Priesthood, . . .”

My Note:

Of course I didn’t need Joey Smith to tell me that the Spirit of God has been poured out upon me..

God, Himself, tells me so in His Word, The Bible..

“I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days.” Joel 2:28, 29

But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, Jude 1:20

Let’s see where the Bible “testifies” that Mormonism errs about women and the Holy Spirit..

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. Romans 1:16

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28

Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. Acts 2:18

and how long has God been giving the same gifts and same Holy Ghost to women as He does to men ???

For 2,000 years ..

In the Book of Acts we who bother to read the Bible for ourselves learn that there were 120 Jews both men and women in that Upper Room at the time of Pentecost...

The Holy Spirit came in and they ALL were baptized and filled with POWER..

not just some not just the men but the men and the women..

The only qualifier was they were believers and they were Jews and they were there and they had obeyed the LORD Jesus Christ and stayed in Jerusalem until.. they were endued with POWER..

“And now I will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from Heaven.” (The LORD Jesus Christ) Luke 24:49

On one occasion, while He was eating with them, He gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” (The LORD Jesus Christ) Acts 1:4,5

On the day of Pentecost all the believers were meeting together in one place.

Suddenly, there was a sound from Heaven like the roaring of a mighty windstorm, and it filled the house where they were sitting. Then, what looked like flames or tongues of fire appeared and settled on each of them.

And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability. Acts 2:1-4

Gee Nana ya mean that the Holy Spirit didn’t come in and say you, not you, and so on ???

No little grasshopper, God is no respecter of persons Acts 10:34

what He will do for one He will do for another..

The gift is free to EVERYONE...

FREE thats why the LORD Jesus Christ calls the POWER, the ANOINTING of the Holy Spirit a GIFT..

Because everything we are ever going to receive from on high, from God the Father has already been paid for..

When the LORD Jesus Christ came down from His Heaven, took on human flesh and was born as a human baby to shed His Precious Blood on the Cross and to die in our place and pay the awful death penalty to redeem us from the wages of sin and death..

On that Cross He said “IT IS FINISHED”

and it was...for everyone..

There are no works that we must do to be saved...

He did it all..

He completed what He left His Heaven to do..

Jesus, the Word of God, the Darling of Heaven, chose to leave there and come to Earth because He LOVES us..

It is His LOVE for us...not our love..that saves us...

Our love is useless while we are not saved..

We are lost and on our way to hell, to the lake of Fire, to the pit..

our sins are so bad, even our best “works” are like filthy rags..

until we repent and ask for forgiveness..

Even the worst murderer or rapist can be saved..

that life giving Blood of the LORD Jesus Christ covers EVERY sin..

even Hitler could have been saved if he had repented..

even Joseph Smith could have been saved if he had called on the LORD Jesus instead of his Masonic rituals and idols for help that day that he decided to shoot his way out of jail and kill 2 men..

and so when we are saved and we ask for the Holy Ghost, the Comforter, He promises that we will receive Him..

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?

If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in Heaven give good gifts to those who ask Him!” (The LORD Jesus Christ) Matthew 7:111

“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; He will speak only what He hears, and He will tell you what is yet to come.” (The LORD Jesus Christ) John 16:13

and a few verses which illuminate the Truth of God in Three Persons, Blessed Trinity,

“But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate (the Helper, the Guide) will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

When He comes, He will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:

about sin, because people do not believe in Me;

about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see Me no longer;

and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.”(The LORD Jesus Christ) John 16:7-11

[Uri’el-2012]

In your opinion Matthew was the only NT book written in Hebrew? The remainder in Greek?

Thanks

Yes.

Many of the Early church Fathers attest to that fact.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Tennessee Nana]

Why do you ask me question when you don’t answer mine?
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Welcome to the Mormon threads..

:)

[redleghunter]

Good research! Never heard of this comparison.

[Elsie]

Well you see where it has got the Lord’s Church it is covering the whole face of the earth with Zion!

#10 in the Mormon Creed:

 

 

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes;

that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent;

that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

[CynicalBear]

Amen, Amen, and Amen!

[Tennessee Nana]

Worthy is the Lamb

Thank you for the cross Lord
Thank you for the price You paid
Bearing all my sin and shame
In love You came
And gave amazing grace

Thank you for this love Lord
Thank you for Your nail pierced hands
Washed me in Your cleansing flow
Now all I know
Your forgiveness and embrace

Worthy is the Lamb
Seated on the throne
Crown You now with many crowns
You reign victorious
High and lifted up
Jesus Son of God
Darling of Heaven crucified
Worthy is the Lamb
Worthy is the Lamb

[restornu]

Then you should have known that the Holy Spirit inspired scripture is our only source for truth. Not some nutcase making claims like Smith did. You either follow Smith or you follow the words of the Holy Spirit as they are written in scripture. You cannot do both.

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From what you have posted me you are assuming the LDS follow Joseph Smith which is a falsehood in all our doctrines it is about knowing Heavenly Father and His Only begotten Son Jesus Christ.

Sec 6 Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Oliver Cowdery, at Harmony, Pennsylvania, April 1829

1–6, Laborers in the Lord’s field gain salvation; 7–13, There is no gift greater than the gift of salvation; 14–27, A witness of the truth comes by the power of the Spirit; 28–37, Look unto Christ, and do good continually.<.I>

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14 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, blessed art thou for what thou hast done; for thou hast inquired of me, and behold, as often as thou hast inquired thou hast received instruction of my Spirit. If it had not been so, thou wouldst not have come to the place where thou art at this time.

15 Behold, thou knowest that thou hast inquired of me and I did enlighten thy mind; and now I tell thee these things that thou mayest know that thou hast been enlightened by the Spirit of truth;

16 Yea, I tell thee, that thou mayest know that there is none else save God that knowest thy thoughts and the intents of thy heart.

17 I tell thee these things as a witness unto thee—that the words or the work which thou hast been writing are true.

18 Therefore be diligent; stand by my servant Joseph, faithfully, in whatsoever difficult circumstances he may be for the word’s sake.

19 Admonish him in his faults, and also receive admonition of him. Be patient; be sober; be temperate; have patience, faith, hope and charity.

20 Behold, thou art Oliver, and I have spoken unto thee because of thy desires; therefore treasure up these words in thy heart. Be faithful and diligent in keeping the commandments of God, and I will encircle thee in the arms of my love.

21 Behold, I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God. I am the same that came unto mine own, and mine own received me not. I am the light which shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.

22 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if you desire a further witness, cast your mind upon the night that you cried unto me in your heart, that you might know concerning the truth of these things.

23 Did I not speak peace to your mind concerning the matter? What greater witness can you have than from God?

24 And now, behold, you have received a witness; for if I have told you things which no man knoweth have you not received a witness?

25 And, behold, I grant unto you a gift, if you desire of me, to translate, even as my servant Joseph.

26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that there are records which contain much of my gospel, which have been kept back because of the wickedness of the people;

27 And now I command you, that if you have good desires—a desire to lay up treasures for yourself in heaven—then shall you assist in bringing to light, with your gift, those parts of my scriptures which have been hidden because of iniquity.

We pray to Heavenly Father, invite the Holy Spirit to be with us to edify and ask in the Name of Jesus Christ.

This is how the Lord Jesus Christ instructed Joseph Smith to teach those who follow the Lord.

First of all I try to be cordial should also insult those I speak too part of my moral being would cheer on but my soul would be disappointed because the Spirit of the Lord would depart.

[CynicalBear]

>>From what you have posted me you are assuming the LDS follow Joseph Smith which is a falsehood in all our doctrines<<

That’s what I’m saying. Some guy comes out of the woods and starts telling you stories and you believe him? Seriously?

[restornu]

>>From what you have posted me you are assuming the LDS follow Joseph Smith which is a falsehood in all our doctrines<<
That’s what I’m saying. Some guy comes out of the woods and starts telling you stories and you believe him? Seriously?

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Om and Just who do you think John the Baptist was?

You are amazing you just say what ever...

Joseph was not some guy in the woods LOL

I am glad your skills will never be used in forensic

BTW way I already had a testimony before I ever knew about Joseph Smith etc.

If you do pray do you expect an answer?

[CynicalBear]

>>Om and Just who do you think John the Baptist was?<<

Remember what I said about the Holy Spirit telling the apostles what to write? Here is the Holy Spirit speaking through John.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

That wasn’t John the Baptist saying that. It was the Holy Spirit speaking through John the apostle to Jesus.

>>If you do pray do you expect an answer?<<

Yep, then I check to see if the answer lines up with scripture. Does scripture say anything about Joseph Smith? I already showed you how scripture says we are all priests but the Mormon Church says we are not. They lie.

[Tennessee Nana]

when you do pray do you expect an answer?
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I don’t always..
That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. James 1:7

sometimes I ask amiss..
And even when you ask, you don’t get it because your motives are all wrong—you want only what will give you pleasure. James 4:3

or I don’t ask in faith..
But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. James 1:6

or Im double minded..
Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do. James 1:8

then the Heavens are shut up like brass...

Im the one at fault, not God...

But when I ask the right way, in faith, in the Name of Jesus, I know He hears me and that I will receive that which I have asked for..

So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive His mercy, and we will find Grace to help us when we need it most. Hebrews 4:16

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see....And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. Hebrews 11:1, 6

[Tennessee Nana]

scripture says we are all priests
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But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

That’s us, every Christian, man, woman, child, black, white, blue eyed, brown eyed, Jew, Gentile, slave, free, every color, language, nation..

:)

[restornu]

Some guy comes out of the woods and starts telling you stories and you believe him? Seriously?

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>>Om and Just who do you think John the Baptist was?<<

John the Baptist wore primitive clothing of camel’s hair with a leather belt. He lived in the wilderness and ate grasshoppers and wild honey

[Tennessee Nana]

Some guy comes out of the woods and starts telling you stories and you believe him? Seriously?
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There’s no proof that Joey Smith was even in the woods..

he used to tell those tall tales in the taverns and at home...

His own mother dropped the dime on him...

[Tennessee Nana]

Some guy comes out of the woods and starts telling you stories and you believe him? Seriously?
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BTW John the Baptist was in the desert eating locusts and wild honey.....

he would have liked some woods for shade and shelter..

catch a rabbit or 2..

[restornu]

Well keep telling yourself that the LDS scriptures are different then the Bible when I know that is not so..

Because of the LDS Standard Works I have so much pleasure reading the Bible and they edify each other also so many passages have been open and it is wonderful!

But each to their own.

[restornu]

>>From what you have posted me you are assuming the LDS follow Joseph Smith which is a falsehood in all our doctrines<<

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In my understanding of the Lord and the children of the Lord they would never edit another person statement...

That kind of behavior would not come from a follower of the Lord... That is being deceptive

Original quote;
From what you have posted me you are assuming the LDS follow Joseph Smith which is a falsehood in all our doctrines it is about knowing Heavenly Father and His Only begotten Son Jesus Christ.

[ican'tbelieveit]

I am comfortable with these verses speaking to the conceptual trinity:

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.