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How Do You Know The Torah is True?
TorahCafe.com ^ | Dec 2012 | Rabbi Lawrence Kelemen

Posted on 12/30/2013 8:39:57 PM PST by Phinneous

If you've never heard of mass-revelation (it's not a realization of having gained weight nor an encounter with a creep in the old Combat Zone in Boston...)

Rabbi Kelemen's concise class on why Jews not only believe in G-d's revelation at Sinai, but why we KNOW this to be fact.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Judaism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: torah; truth
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1 posted on 12/30/2013 8:39:57 PM PST by Phinneous
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To: Phinneous

It’s Torah, not The Torah.


2 posted on 12/30/2013 8:45:41 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

For the sake of pedantry, one could translate it fully into English and call it “The Law”.


3 posted on 12/30/2013 8:47:54 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Do you know what Torah is?


4 posted on 12/30/2013 8:53:57 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Phinneous

Because nobody lying would show all the bumps and frailties of all of our forefathers. The Torah is filled with problems of human nature that often still occur today.


5 posted on 12/30/2013 8:58:03 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: SkyDancer

It was rendered in the Greek texts as “nomos”.


6 posted on 12/30/2013 9:02:28 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: SkyDancer
"It’s Torah, not The Torah. Who cares how Torah is addressed? Let's get on with the discussion. Is Torah the true word of God (notice I did not put a "-" between a G and d)or is it an invention to manipulate people for power?
7 posted on 12/30/2013 9:31:26 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Phinneous

bookmarked for later


8 posted on 12/30/2013 9:32:32 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Phinneous

I had a question but found the answer behind the following quoted text and link. Thank you for the good and interesting post (as was another recent post).

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JLI is associated with Merkos L’Inyonei Chinuch, the educational arm of Chabad-Lubavitch. - See more at: http://www.torahcafe.com/about_us.html#sthash.rP94vw6N.dpuf


9 posted on 12/30/2013 9:47:24 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Phinneous

Honestly, I do not know what Torah is. I’ve heard of it of course, but I confess I do not actually know what it is, other than a book, I think.


10 posted on 12/30/2013 9:47:27 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

(The) Torah is the Five Books of Moses, The Pentateuch. Genesis through Deuteronomy.


11 posted on 12/30/2013 9:50:48 PM PST by Phinneous
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To: Phinneous

This is the one. Thanks again.

A Rational Approach to the Divinity of the Jewish Torah Oral Tradition
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3105345/posts


12 posted on 12/30/2013 9:54:25 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Ping.

Interesting?


13 posted on 12/30/2013 9:55:45 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Beowulf9
Torah to the Christian or non-Jew is the first five (5) Books of the Old Testament, commonly known as "the Law," as given to Moses.

Moses wrote it, or rather took dictation from God and wrote all down.

Many, though not all people who call themselves Christians, believe these books are God-breathed and true and for our edification and education, even though we are not Jews, as they teach us about our own history and are instructions to us from God.

14 posted on 12/30/2013 10:02:26 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: zerosix

Of course Christians must know Torah. How else do we learn the perfect standard Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) lived and taught, which reveals we are sinners and need of His spotless sacrifice. When Peter said we must walk in Jesus foot prints, he was referring to God’s standards. We find those standards not only in the NT but as Christ said:

Luke 24:44-49 NASB

Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”


15 posted on 12/30/2013 10:25:36 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Phinneous

Interesting -

Christianity was invented by Saint Paul.

God personally addressed three million in the desert at Mount Sinai.
(book, chapter, verse?)


16 posted on 12/30/2013 10:49:14 PM PST by Daffy
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To: Daffy

Numbers1:44-46 These are the numbers of those registered by Moses and Aaron, registered with the help of the leaders of Israel, twelve men, each representing his ancestral family. The sum total of the People of Israel twenty years old and over who were able to fight in the army, counted by ancestral family, was 603,550.

47-51 The Levites, however, were not counted by their ancestral family along with the others. God had told Moses, “The tribe of Levi is an exception: Don’t register them. Don’t count the tribe of Levi; don’t include them in the general census of the People of Israel...


17 posted on 12/30/2013 10:55:44 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Daffy

Exodus 20 is quite explicitly addressed and presented by God to the whole group until the whole says “please speak to us through Moses.” My memory isn’t good enough and I’m too lazy to give you verses right now, but read very closely at the beginning (possibly the end of 19) and around verse 22.


18 posted on 12/31/2013 3:13:41 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Phinneous

If you have a ping list that deals with things like this post and your post “the Bible is Wrong”, would you mind adding this gentile to it?


19 posted on 12/31/2013 3:34:20 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Daffy

Christianity invented by the Jewish Pharisee known as Paul converted to follow the Way of Jesus that Rabbi From Nazareth as Saul of Tarsus was on his way to persecute the followers of Christ. While the followers of Christ were first called Christians at Antioch and there is association with Paul’s teaching it seems a stretch to claim Paul invented Christianity.


20 posted on 12/31/2013 4:51:20 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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