Posted on 12/16/2013 8:08:08 AM PST by GonzoII
As I said in my reply to your PM, I turn my other cheek to you. Have peace brother.
At 10 and 4 this year the Saints might be benefiting from prayer.
I am not a man. For your information, check my FR page.
I don’t deny Christ on it at all. Just click on my name.
Why not?
They can be driven out through handkerchiefs:
Act 19:11,12 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul...So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Through bones a man can be brought back to life:
2Ki 13:21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet.
Cures can be performed through Peter's shadow:
Acts 5:15,16 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them...There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
Wow!
You pick a verse that’s not even in the Bible to prove a pagan practice?
That takes guts!
Even if it were Canonised it is not good practice to make theology with one scripture, especially since it contradicts others.
It’s too early, but Merry Christmas!
I ran out of cheeks. Have peace sister.
“Mary and the saints in heaven can see and hear us.”
Prove it using actual evidence that demonstrates your truth claim is true.
It sounds like you were duped by some teacher or other who reads too much into symbolism while declaring a pox on those who have preached on the realities of Hell for 2000 years!
I listen to about 2.5 hours of the bible pretty much every day on my way to and from work. I’m amazed how many verses there are that touch on this subject in sometimes very subtle ways. They pretty much all point to “death”, “destruction”, “perish”, etc. And even the ones that are “fuzzy” are only that way because they are not talking about the person who is destroyed, but the place where the person is destroyed.
I use this analogy to explain: If I say I’m going to paint a fence blue for all eternity, does it mean I am going to spend eternity painting the fence blue, or that I will paint it once and it will STAY BLUE for all eternity?
The scriptures that bring up this concept about the fate of the lost generally relate to the latter.
And I’m not concerned about what has been taught in various churches for 2,000 years. If I was, I would be Catholic. I’m concerned about what the bible says, not what men say.
Much hope in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Yep. You can go straight to John 3:16:
Eternal life vs “perish”. If they are both eternal “life” but in different places, it would not be worded that way. Eternal life is the opposite of the other side of the equation. Eternal death would be more like it. You are dead and it is an eternal condition. You ain’t comin’ back.
Do you have a problem with that?
The bible clearly teaches that the saints are the believers.
“If one says recklessly as Mr. White said, “… there is to be no communication between the living and the dead,” where does this leave Jesus? He is clearly guilty according to Luke 9:29-31:
By the same token in acts 3 when Peter healed the lame man, does that mean any one can do it?
I know that faith can heal but show me a man who can do what the early apostles did.
I believe there is much more we do not know than what we do know even among the most vivid Bible readers that i hesitate in either way take a stand about communicating with the dead.
What i can say is that it is not what the teachings of the Bible is all about.
Many people use a verse or two in the Bible to teach reincarnation and they have just as much evidence as some other teachings such as communicating with dead saints
But again the Bible does not teach reincarnation no more than it teaches the former.
I believe i actually saw an angel one time, but if this was what the teaching of the Bible was about i believe there would be much more about it.
God can hear and see us.
Christ can hear and see us.
Mary and the saints in heaven can see and hear us.
Very simple.
To me, time is a current in an ocean called eternity.
But aren’t we living in analog time? From point a to point b?
God has no time frame in heaven. Always was, always is, and always will be.
Much hope in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church because it was founded by Christ.
Mary and the saints in heaven can see and hear us.
Jesus said i will raise you up at the last day.
He is talking about the souls of them that are dead, the spiritual bodies.
:)
A good study on the subject (Kinda long and in depth, though): http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/immortality_resurrection/6.htm
It’s never too early! :) Who knows if we will see each other again before Christmas?
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