Poll: majority of Catholics who attend Mass weekly support same-sex marriage, women’s ordination

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[Mrs. Don-o]

No, the question was, "Is there, today, a widely recognized distinction between "proselytism" and "evangelism"?

The answer is, "Yes. The term 'proselytism' now has a negative connotation in common speech, and sometimes in law. It indicates questionable or unethical practices. 'Evangelism' has no such negative connotation, and is generally regarded as a free speech activity involving sharing the faith without the offer of material recompense and without manipulative or abusive practices."

Awareness of these connotations can help yield more accurate communication.

[count-your-change]

When I read the Scriptures I find nothing negative about “converts” and “proselytes” or activity that religiously oppressive regimes would label “proselytism” so they could punish it.

“Awareness of these connotations can help yield more accurate communication.”

I well aware of the connotations some attach and reject them in favor or correct English usage.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Your choice. It also helps to know, though, what the other person meant.

[marshmallow]

That the Catholic Church in America has failed miserably to catechize and communicate the Church's teaching on moral issues and to enforce that teaching (see Pelosi et al.,) is beyond dispute so this doesn't greatly surprise me.

This appears to delight a large cohort of people who despise the Catholic Church, including individuals who belong to a variety of quite disparate groups, including some who self-identify as "Christian" and also many others who have little use for any form of traditional morality.

The Catholic Church has the ability to unite some strange bedfellows, it would appear.

[count-your-change]

If the other person is attaching their own meaning to words how can I ever know what they meant? Again, that’s why we use dictionaries.

[ClaytonP]

The Catholic Church has the ability to unite some strange bedfellows, it would appear.

It is the RCC that has been among the most vocal proponent of liberal issues (universal health care, immigration, welfare).

Catholics want to influence politics using their muscle and yet react with claims of bigotry when those who are genuinely threatened by the Church's evil political stances fight back.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I think I see the problem. You evidently missed this post

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3076178/posts?page=72#72

... in which there was a bit more of an in-depth explanation, with examples from both legal and religious sources.

Pope Francis was not, as you said, attaching his "own" meaning to words. He was using words that he assumed would be readily understood by careful readers. Possibly he assumed too much.

If you're actually interested in grasping another person's meaning, a little digging into their use of language is worth your effort. And if not, not.

[count-your-change]

Your references show how the misuse of language can be used by religious oppressors. As for the Pope I can’t know what he assumed or didn’t assume just what he is reported to have said.

So, no, I didn’t miss your post nor the twisting of words in Greece to justify attacks on religious freedom.

[massgopguy]

I attend the largest parish in the Archdiocese of Boston and have been the Grand Knight three times in our Parish Knights of Columbus Council. No one at our parish has ever taken this poll.

[Ransomed]

It would be an amazing thing if they had. This poll comes from 392 Catholics. There are probably 70+ million Catholics in the US. But that’s only 7% or so of the total Catholic population. Also, it doesn’t say where they polled.

Freegards

[count-your-change]

Polls usually take a small but representative sample. If you look at similar polls the results are rather consistent.

[NKP_Vet]

The Quinnipiac poll is ran by CBS news and it slants left. In addition to it being a left-wing polling service, read Bill Donohue’s comments below.

QUINNIPIAC POLL IS FLAWED

There are more than 78 million Catholics in the U.S. and Quinnipiac interviewed 392 of them. The actual number of Catholics who go to Mass on a weekly basis that they interviewed was 153. Most polls ask self-identified Catholics if they “attend church weekly”; “attend church nearly every week or monthly”; or “seldom or never attend church.” Not this one—there were just two choices: “attend weekly” or “less.” In other words, the poll does not distinguish between those who attend monthly and those who have stopped going—they’re lumped together.

http://www.catholicleague.org/quinnipiac-poll-is-flawed/

[caddie]

I call stone BS on this poll.

Weekly Catholic church-goers do so because they fear damnation for not going weekly, among other obligations the Church makes clear.

There is no way weekly Church-going Catholics would publicly (even in a poll) endorse homosexual practices pretending to be marriages.

In doing so they would risk auto-excommunication.

There's just no way, even in flaky Quinnapaic, that Catholics support these abominations.