Posted on 04/03/2013 3:43:07 PM PDT by NYer
“In reality Pope Damasus declared a canonical list in 382, and Gelasius in the 5th/6th century added to that a quote from Augustine when he added a list of prohibited books. That would not invalidate Damasus’ original declaration.”
Even if your assessment were true, if this “canonical list” wasn’t proposed to be an authoritative pronouncement on canon until 1794, then what does it have to do with the matter under discussion? Clearly, it could have held no weight prior to the Council of Trent, as at that time nobody had ever heard of the notion that the Council of Rome pronounced a body of canonical works!
True or False, St. Jerome produced a Bible at the direction of Pope Damasus in 405 AD containing all of the Books later rejected by Luther?
Peace be with you
there is no copyright it is in the public domain.
Sudios are famous for making movies out of public domain stories and books.
in short it is “out of copyright” and therefore belongs to the world.
that said, there are left wing groups that “retranslate” the parts they do not like and they try to copyright their translation.
True or false: Jerome objected to including the Apocrypha but did it anyway?
“True or False, St. Jerome produced a Bible at the direction of Pope Damasus in 405 AD containing all of the Books later rejected by Luther?”
False. As others on this very thread have already pointed out, Luther’s Bible contained all the same books, with much the same disclaimers as to the canonicity of certain books that Jerome included in the Vulgate.
False. Please read St. Jerome's Against Rufinus in which he states:
"What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the Story of Susanna, the Song of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume, proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. For I was not relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they [the Jews] are wont to make against us."
From “JustforCAtholics.org”
Question: St Jerome was persuaded, against his original inclination, to include the deuterocanonicals in his Vulgate edition of the Scriptures. What are your comments?
Answer: True, yet he classed the Apocrypha in a separated category. He differentiated between the canonical books and ecclesiastical books, which he did not recognize as authoritative Scripture. This is admitted by the modern Catholic church:
“St. Jerome distinguished between canonical books and ecclesiastical books. The latter he judged were circulated by the Church as good spiritual reading but were not recognized as authoritative Scripture. The situation remained unclear in the ensuing centuries...For example, John of Damascus, Gregory the Great, Walafrid, Nicolas of Lyra and Tostado continued to doubt the canonicity of the deuterocanonical books. According to Catholic doctrine, the proximate criterion of the biblical canon is the infallible decision of the Church. This decision was not given until rather late in the history of the Church at the Council of Trent. The Council of Trent definitively settled the matter of the Old Testament Canon. That this had not been done previously is apparent from the uncertainty that persisted up to the time of Trent” (The New Catholic Encyclopedia, The Canon).
And yhet He went away; and didn't leave us His flesh to eat.
I was thinking of someone translating the KJV into Spanish, or German, or Hindu and NOT using the Textus Receptus to do so, but the English language of 1611.
There ya go!
**Who Holds the Bible’s Copyright?**
The Catholic Church, of course!
All other non Catholic Bibles are fallible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUTlvAsLyPM
I find your ferocity about denying the inspiration of Scripture puzzling.
Throughout the Bible, in virtually all of the books, the books claim to be the word of God. Also, Jesus quoted from all of them as authoritative (except, I think, Song of Solomon). I am sure you know all of this. If you reject it, you reject, I guess. I was not aware the denial of the inspiration of Scripture is a Roman Catholic position. Actually, I don’t think it is.
I think the difference between RCs and Protestants (serious ones on both side, I don’t refer to the women who want to be pope or the cafeteria this and thats) is: the RC’s say the Bible is God’s Word because the RC church says it is; whereas Protestants say the Bible is God’s Word because the Bible says it is.
I think it’s an important difference, and one that can be discussed, but your posts seem to indicate that you don’t even believe the Bible is inspired. Is that the case?
” Who wrote the Bible? The early Church”
Well, parts. Moses wrote the first five, at least the majority. David of course was a writer; Solomon, all those prophets - so it was not just the early church.
The New Testament was written by the apostles. A couple of the books don’t claim a human author - I think Hebrews is one of those. If you want to call the apostles the early Church I suppose I could go with that. They were certainly the authorities of the early Church, and rightly so.
Well, Hebrews has an author. Who he is is at present unknown and was unknown in the time of Origen.
Persvero:
You are incorrect here.
Catholics believe that the Magisterium has authority granted to them by Christ himself. The Apostles and the Magisterium wrote scripture and decided what was to be canon.
Inspiration comes from God to the Magisterium to scriptures.
What Protestants do is divorce teh bible from the magisterium, arguing that Scripture is inspired - but the Magisterium has no authority. This approach has some severe difficulties. At some point you end up at the point of divorcing the Apostles and the bible from the Magisterium, whereas Catholics say that inspiration flows from God to them.
The authoritative decisions taken by the PBC have never been vacated
The important part is the ‘obedience to the magisterium’, that our protestant friends seem so loathe to admit. ;)
No.
Heresies, yes
http://www.taylormarshall.com/2011/09/did-st-jerome-reject-deuterocanoical.html
So why doesn’t yours?
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