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Washington Episcopal Bishop Denies Bodily Resurrection of Jesus
Virtue Online ^ | 3-31-13 | David W. Virtue

Posted on 04/03/2013 4:55:45 AM PDT by ReformationFan

Washington Episcopal Bishop Marianne Budde, writing in her blog on the subject of Resurrection, opined that if someone were to discover a tomb with Jesus' remains in it, the entire enterprise would not come crashing down.

VOL: Actually, Bishop it would. Our faith would be in vain and we would be of all men (and women) most miserable. St. Paul writes in I Cor. 15, "For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas,[b] and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born."

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TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: bishop; budde; davidwvirtue; ecusa; episcopagan; episcopal; femalebishop; religiousleft; resurrection; washington
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This so-called "bishop" provides more good evidence that it is better to follow Paul's instructions that he wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost-

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20timothy%202:12-14&version=ESVUK

1 posted on 04/03/2013 4:55:45 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

Even Bishops want their 10 minutes of attention and notoriety and will say most anything to get it.


2 posted on 04/03/2013 4:58:20 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: ReformationFan

A female bishop? I thought they were supposed to be in communion with the Church of England?


3 posted on 04/03/2013 4:58:27 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: ReformationFan
"Washington Episcopal Bishop Marianne Budde"

I stopped right there.

4 posted on 04/03/2013 5:03:14 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: ReformationFan

The Episcopal church ceased being a Christian denomination long ago.


5 posted on 04/03/2013 5:06:18 AM PDT by twister881
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To: twister881

The Episcopal church ceased being a Christian denomination long ago.


Apparently.

This is ludicrous on man levels.


6 posted on 04/03/2013 5:08:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: ReformationFan
Marianne Budde, there's the problem right there...
7 posted on 04/03/2013 5:10:55 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ReformationFan

Then he can’t be a Christian. That is a major Tenet of Christianity.


8 posted on 04/03/2013 5:12:34 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: cuban leaf
"This is ludicrous on man levels"

Freudian slip?

CC

9 posted on 04/03/2013 5:13:24 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Hey liberals, what part of "unalienable" don't you understand?)
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To: 2001convSVT
"Then he can’t be a Christian.

It don't think it's a "he". Or even a Christian for that matter.

10 posted on 04/03/2013 5:16:21 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
Do we really know if he' a she or she' a he? "She's a man Baby" A. Powers
11 posted on 04/03/2013 5:23:17 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: Celtic Conservative

“This is ludicrous on man levels”
Freudian slip?


Oops.

Apparently. ;-)


12 posted on 04/03/2013 5:30:46 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: ReformationFan

Marianne Budde

13 posted on 04/03/2013 5:35:58 AM PDT by Obadiah (High speed, low drag.)
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To: Obadiah

YIKES! Another little reminder why I shook the dust of the Piskies from my sandals back in 2003.


14 posted on 04/03/2013 5:38:13 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: ReformationFan
opined that if someone were to discover a tomb with Jesus' remains in it, the entire enterprise would not come crashing down.

Is the bishopess talking about the ECUSA, or Christianity?

15 posted on 04/03/2013 5:42:08 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Obadiah

Marianne Budde

Post-op, used to be Mark?

16 posted on 04/03/2013 5:43:28 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Obadiah

Holy cr@p!


17 posted on 04/03/2013 5:46:35 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Russ
She ain't no bishop, as far as I'm concerned. Just a girl playing dress-up.
18 posted on 04/03/2013 5:47:04 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Obadiah
My ick factor meter just pegged. There is no sense expecting this, er, creature to be orthodox, or even Christian.
19 posted on 04/03/2013 5:48:56 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: Lee N. Field

Can someone post a photo of Gollum?


20 posted on 04/03/2013 5:56:19 AM PDT by blessu
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To: ReformationFan

Again, please remind me why I should care what the Church of Faggotry in Washington or any of its clergy (Leon, Priestess Budde, et. al.) says?


21 posted on 04/03/2013 5:57:38 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: ReformationFan
How would they even prove that it was Jesus tomb?

I have no doubt that they could one day find a tomb, identified as belonging to one “Jesus”, in however that is written in ancient Aramaic, or whatever.

Even a man that had been crucified.

So what? Lot's of people got crucified back then. In some places it's still going on. I won't mention which area of the world, or who's doing it.

“Jesus” probably was a fairly common name. Heck, even my own name, Chesley, was a lot more common 100 years ago, though rare now. We've gotten on ancestry.com and found about a dozen “Chesley”’s on my family tree, and another 8-9 on my wife's family tree. So why should “Jesus” be presumed to belong to the just one man?

So given that, why should NOT a man named Jesus have been crucified, who was NOT the Saviour? And if they found identifying marks as “King of the Jews”, or “the Messiah”, there, your fraud detector better start binging. But if they ever were actually able to prove that it was the Jesus's body lying in the grave, Christianity would die, immediately.

22 posted on 04/03/2013 6:06:34 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: ReformationFan

...Episcopal Bishop Marianne Budde....

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Well, there is part of the problem right there, a female bishop.


23 posted on 04/03/2013 6:31:29 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Obadiah

Silly me! I thought Marianne was a name for a female.


24 posted on 04/03/2013 6:33:10 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Don't be so quick to stereotype.

Episcopal Bishop Vicky Robinson is a male. Well, sort of anyway.

25 posted on 04/03/2013 6:38:43 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Bigg Red

How contrasting:

APRIL 2, 2013
OUR LADY’S message
to MIRJANA SOLDO (Medjugorie)
for the ENTIRE WORLD!

“Dear children; I am calling you to be one with my Son in spirit. I am calling you, through prayer, and the Holy Mass when my Son unites Himself with you in a special way, to try to be like Him; that, like Him, you may always be ready to carry out God’s will and not seek the fulfillment of your own. Because, my children, it is according to God’s will that you are and that you exist, and without God’s will you are nothing.

As a mother I am asking you to speak about the glory of God with your life, because in that way you will also glorify yourself in accordance to His will. Show humility and love for your neighbour to everyone. Through such humility and love, my Son saved you and opened the way for you to the Heavenly Father.

I implore you to keep opening the way to the Heavenly Father for all those who have not come to know Him and have not opened their hearts to His love. By your life, open the way to all those who still wander in search of the truth.

My children, be my apostles who have not lived in vain. Do not forget that you will come before the Heavenly Father and tell Him about yourself. Be ready! Again I am warning you, pray for those whom my Son called, whose hands He blessed and whom He gave as a gift to you. Pray, pray, pray for your shepherds. Thank you.”


26 posted on 04/03/2013 7:09:37 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepisssssed)
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To: chesley

New scientific evidence in connection with its most recent display give more weight to the death and resurrection of Jesus:

http://guardianlv.com/2013/03/christ-burial-cloth-the-shroud-of-turin-bares-new-scientific-evidence/


27 posted on 04/03/2013 7:15:38 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ReformationFan

The heretic does not even bother to pretend she believes in the Nicene Creed.


28 posted on 04/03/2013 7:36:00 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Biggirl

Thanks.

I am not heavily invested in the Shroud, as I think that the same arguments I put forth about finding “the tomb of Jesus” are equally valid here. How do you prove it?

Maybe you can prove that something happened, but how do you prove it was Jesus?

Whether or not it is the burial shroud of Jesus, or whether it is not, will not affect my faith one whit.

But it is a Vvery, very, interesting controversy, as people with agendas battle it out. :)


29 posted on 04/03/2013 7:45:44 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: C19fan

I wouldn’t call her (it?) a heretic. The title of the article seems to be misleading. She/it doesn’t seem to be denying the bodily resurrection but rather engaging in hypothetical speculation of what might happen were the authenticable remains of Christ found.

Which IS an interesting hypothetical. First, because finding the remains wouldn’t refute the resurrection at all. Rather it would refute the bodily ascension into Heaven, right? Which is still a major deal, one that would have significant theological and societal impacts ... ones that couldn’t easily be predefined.


30 posted on 04/03/2013 7:48:55 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Obadiah

Good gravy! What a ghastly haircut!


31 posted on 04/03/2013 8:45:19 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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"...finding the remains wouldn’t refute the Resurrection at all. Rather it would refute the bodily ascension into Heaven, right?"

No, it would also refute the Resurrection.

This is because the Resurrection of Christ is not just the resuscitation of a corpse. That's what the raising of Lazarus was, as well as the son of the widow of Nain, Tabitha and others. In these latter cases, the people "recuperated from death," so to speak, only to die again at some subsequent time.

The Resurrection of Jesus was radically different. The New Testament makes it clear that Jesus’ body on that first Easter morning was not a resuscitated corpse like that of Lazarus, for although it was indeed the selfsame body that was born of the Virgin Mary, it had undergone a significant transformation. That is why His closest friends did and did not recognize Him, and it is why the risen Lord was able to pass through locked doors as well as appear and disappear. In other words, His body now possessed the properties of glorification. It was the body transfigured and transformed, immortal, with physical properties previously unknown. This means:

Such a body could never die again, or be found again in a grave. This is the kind of body all the saved will have, at the Resurrection of the Body, at the end of this world as we know it.

32 posted on 04/03/2013 8:47:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: chesley
“Jesus” probably was a fairly common name.

"Jesus" is a version of "Joshua," and therefore extremely common among Jews at the relevant time period: as common as "Joshua" is today. "Mary," a verson of "Miriam," was also extremely common, as we observe reading the New Testament and trying to sort out all the different Marys, mother of this person, wife of that person, from this place or that place.

At least the names are gender-specific, though, so it's not like all the Taylors and Hunters and Dakotas today.

33 posted on 04/03/2013 8:49:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: ReformationFan

Women Bishops and Women Rabbis are equivalent to Homosexual Marriage.


34 posted on 04/03/2013 9:03:20 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Obadiah

That is a MAN, baby!


35 posted on 04/03/2013 9:04:05 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Lee N. Field


36 posted on 04/03/2013 9:10:20 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: Tax-chick

The Holy Spirit, or as we called it when I was young, the Holy Ghost, guarantees to me that Jesus was real, the Son of God Incarnate.

Scientists will never have a proof as solid as that, whether for or against that statement of belief.


37 posted on 04/03/2013 9:36:30 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: chesley

I agree.


38 posted on 04/03/2013 9:38:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA! Y a su pueblo? VICTORIA!)
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To: Ann Archy
Women Bishops and Women Rabbis are equivalent to Homosexual Marriage

Not really. You can avoid going to their places of worship. The gay couples wanting to get married, however, will be coming to YOUR place of worship. Count on it.

39 posted on 04/03/2013 9:41:07 AM PDT by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: ReformationFan
Washington Episcopal Bishop Denies Bodily Resurrection of Jesus

So do the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses! If Christ did not raise from the dead bodily, "you are still in your sins" 1 Cor. 15:12-18
40 posted on 04/03/2013 9:42:23 AM PDT by ForAmerica (Texas Conservative Christian Black Man!)
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To: ReformationFan
you know, we could say "oh, this is the ECUSA, forget about it", but we need to remember that the general public and the MSM then use the ECUSA as a chink to break into the Christian armor -- they've used them to push gay marriage in

We cannot sit back and say oh, they're ECUSA

41 posted on 04/03/2013 9:48:56 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: ReformationFan

What’s the point of her episcopate then?


42 posted on 04/03/2013 10:12:10 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Cronos
"We cannot sit back and say oh, they're ECUSA"

But we have to accept that absent any greater teaching authority her personal interpretation of Scripture is just as valid and anyone elses.

Peace be with you

43 posted on 04/03/2013 10:23:48 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: chesley

YUK...you’re right. I can just see when the Priests honors people who are married, and they stand up.....and KISS....ICK!!!


44 posted on 04/03/2013 11:55:23 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ReformationFan

So, when did he stop being Christian?

Episcopagan is more like.

*Sorry Ellen. I really respected your dad and am very glad he never lived to see this.


45 posted on 04/03/2013 1:36:13 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: ReformationFan

Episcopalians aren’t Christians, although the often pretend to be to trick people. But it’s basically a cult.


46 posted on 04/03/2013 4:21:51 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: ReformationFan
Amen! I kinda think the Romans as well as the Jewish religious leaders of the time would have exhausted every avenue they could to disprove that Jesus was the Messiah. Even today, the common explanation is the exact same one those leaders gave back then:

When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day. (Matthew 28:12-15)

Of course, they leave out the part about how EVERY one of the Apostles (except John) died a martyrs' death rather than say that Jesus was not risen. Now, people WILL die for lie, but NO ONE will die for what they KNOW is a lie!

47 posted on 04/03/2013 11:31:12 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: OpusatFR
“Episcopagan” FreeRepublic should go ahead and add this word to their dictionary. I have a feeling it is a term that is not going to go away...ever.
48 posted on 04/04/2013 3:08:55 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: boatbums

Indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH289KVhx1U


49 posted on 04/04/2013 5:38:12 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Natural Law
But we have to accept that absent any greater teaching authority her personal interpretation of Scripture is just as valid and anyone elses.

I don't think we do. The reason is that Scripture more than adequately supports the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. All you have to do is read the four gospels as well as the epistles to know that Christians have ALWAYS believed this. In fact, Paul says if Christ is not risen, then we are still dead in our sins and are of all men most miserable. On those major tenets of our faith, there is no ambiguity in Scripture. Anyone who claims to disbelieve in the resurrection of Christ is NOT believing in the Christian faith. So, no, we do not have to accept such lies as equally valid to the truth. The truth remains the truth regardless if anyone accepts it.

50 posted on 04/04/2013 4:19:02 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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