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Prosecutors: Indiana pastor told girl Jesus sanctioned sexual relationship
Chicago Tribune ^ | Carlos Sadovi

Posted on 03/14/2013 6:05:27 PM PDT by Morgana

A former pastor of a northwest Indiana mega-church who has admitted having a sexual relationship with an underage parishioner exchanged hundreds of text messages with the girl and told her Jesus Christ sanctioned their relationship, prosecutors say.

The messages are quoted in a memorandum from prosecutors as they argue for a 10-year prison sentence for Jack A. Schaap, who has pleaded guilty to federal charges that he took a minor across state lines with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity.

The memorandum, filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Hammond, details how Schaap, 55, "groomed" the girl into having sex with him while he was pastor at the First Baptist Church of Hammond and was counseling her. The girl had turned 17 when the incidents were happening, according to prosecutors.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: baptist; child; childabuse; church; indiana; megachurch; sexabuse

1 posted on 03/14/2013 6:05:27 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Pretty far down on the scumbag list. He needs a lot more then 10 yrs.


2 posted on 03/14/2013 6:07:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

The bible never condones unmarried sexual relationships. However that said, the “modern” idea of a marriageable age is years more than in the Lord’s own plan. Governments and socialist sociologists have a vested interest in keeping juveniles juvenile as long as possible. It ought to be treated as a plain vanilla fornication.


3 posted on 03/14/2013 6:14:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Morgana

If they’d just let these pastors get married they wouldn’t have this problem.

What? He is married? Who’d a thunk it?


6 posted on 03/14/2013 6:20:59 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Vendome

Why don’t you just shoot him like a rabid dog and get it over with?


7 posted on 03/14/2013 6:21:07 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

If only the Baptist Church allowed their Pastors to marry.


8 posted on 03/14/2013 6:23:31 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Morgana
Here. I think you need these.


9 posted on 03/14/2013 6:24:05 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Vendome

Remind me to never piss you off.


10 posted on 03/14/2013 6:28:23 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Morgana

I like my work and take pride in it.

Gotta work slow and deliberately to get it just right.


11 posted on 03/14/2013 6:29:27 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Morgana

He probably claims that it’s ok because it’s “not by works.”


12 posted on 03/14/2013 6:30:28 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: rwilson99

Some cursory digging at this place’s website does not turn up any indication that it is associated with the Southern Baptist Convention, but it does have its own private missions arm called “Fundamental Baptist.” In my admittedly limited experience this seems to suggest an indy church with serious wild hairs. Not that being a fighting fundie is bad, this here redneck is one, but you can’t just be a spiritual wild cat loner with no discipline and hope to do very much right. Nobody has ever bothered to trademark the term “Baptist” which also makes it possible for such folks as Westboro (who aren’t even Christian) to use it without interference.


13 posted on 03/14/2013 6:32:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Vendome

For having sex with a 17 year old? A bit harsh. If she was 10 or something maybe, but 17 is old enough to know better, frankly.


14 posted on 03/14/2013 6:34:55 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Oh?!

17?

Don’t know why but, I thought she was 10.

In that case 10 years it is.


15 posted on 03/14/2013 6:39:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

A pastor grooming a young girl in his church is far more then just fornication.


16 posted on 03/14/2013 6:42:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TSgt

Where are you?


17 posted on 03/14/2013 6:44:26 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Vendome
You are a twisted, vindictive, spiteful and vicious person with an eye for detail.

I like that.

Reminds me of...me.

18 posted on 03/14/2013 6:44:26 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: driftdiver

Baptists......


19 posted on 03/14/2013 7:08:44 PM PDT by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Morgana

In the short run, Satan has a lot of wins, to the eternal demise of many of those he pursues. In the long run, Satan loses. Forever.


20 posted on 03/14/2013 7:09:21 PM PDT by Tudorfly
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To: driftdiver

That’s more than most priests get...


21 posted on 03/14/2013 7:12:28 PM PDT by TSgt (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.)
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To: Hilda; Chode

“He probably claims that it’s ok because it’s “not by works.””

HEHEHEHE!!
Sola Fide or sola Gratia?


22 posted on 03/14/2013 7:15:38 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Vendome; sinsofsolarempirefan
She was sent to him because she needed counseling over mental health issues. In other words her 17 year old mind was not in the right place and this scumbag took advantage of her “loose connections”. Her parents trusted him because he was a "man of God" and he took total advange of her and the parents. Vencome just do what my Granny always said. "Take him to the field and horsewhip him!"
23 posted on 03/14/2013 7:20:53 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Bitterly clinging too....


24 posted on 03/14/2013 7:25:44 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It is an independent baptist church. It also has a history of sexual abuse problems, according to Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Baptist_Church_of_Hammond#History

“The sermon was called “The Polished Shaft,” and in the many times that Jack Schaap, pastor of the First Baptist Church of Hammond, had delivered it, it was the kind of showstopper that made him a rock star to his flock. (Or would have, had Schaap not habitually railed against the evils of rock music.)

As with most of his sermons at the northwest Indiana megachurch—the 14th largest in the country and the biggest Independent Baptist house of worship in the nation—the message struck as bluntly as a pounded nail: Submit to God’s plan for your life or be snapped like a twig and flung away (as Schaap would demonstrate by cracking a stick over his head, tossing it aside, and barking, “Next!”).

When you do submit, be prepared to endure excruciating pain. God will hold a metaphorical knife to your throat (as Schaap would illustrate by holding a steel blade against a twig the way an assailant might press on a jugular). Only then, he would growl, will you become a “polished shaft”: one suitable for God’s bow.

At this point, the sermon’s climax, Schaap would heave up a high-powered crossbow and fire an arrow into a red X painted on a fake rock a few feet from his pulpit...

... But in July 2010, an hour into the “Polished Shaft” sermon—in a church packed with thousands of teenagers there for a youth conference—Schaap went further. He lifted a stick in his left hand and a silver cloth in his right. He moved the bottom of the stick near his groin and angled it away from himself. Head thrown back, eyes squeezed shut, mouth gaping, he began rubbing the shaft rapidly with the cloth, up and down, up and down. “Ohh! Oh! Ohhhh! Oh! Oh, God, that hurts!” he shrieked.

Then, his voice dropping to a guttural whisper, he said, “Oh, oh, God. Thanks for what you’re making me.”

Schaap continued to rub the stick—up and down, up and down—and converse with God, sometimes angrily, sometimes ecstatically, for more than a minute. What he was doing was unmistakable: simulating masturbation, in front of thousands of children, in the middle of a church service.”

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2013/Let-Us-Prey-Big-Trouble-at-First-Baptist-Church/


25 posted on 03/14/2013 7:25:59 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: Mr Rogers; HiTech RedNeck
I am very leery of these mega complex churches (whatever they are called). Maybe it's just me but a lot of sexual abuse seems to occur.
26 posted on 03/14/2013 7:35:45 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
after i opened his back with a scalpel, i'd take a battery and couple probes and make him think his whole body was on fire for days on end, then move up to a new nerve and repeat... somewhere along the line maybe he'd get his mind right with the Lord instead of blaspheming him
27 posted on 03/14/2013 7:36:46 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana

Changed my mind.

Lash him the water wheel of a river boat ...


28 posted on 03/14/2013 7:39:00 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Mr Rogers; HiTech RedNeck

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr0UpQXYkGs


29 posted on 03/14/2013 7:41:49 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Chode

Look at post 25 and 29!!


30 posted on 03/14/2013 7:42:38 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I found this too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=YixqtOOrQt8


31 posted on 03/14/2013 7:55:10 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana
ya gotta be kiddin me...
32 posted on 03/14/2013 7:57:02 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Morgana

Jesus said, “whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.” [Matthew 18:6 RSV]


33 posted on 03/14/2013 7:57:17 PM PDT by zot
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To: Chode

I’m as serious as a heart attack!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Np1wjPtCJE


34 posted on 03/14/2013 8:08:41 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: zot; Vendome

You know what zot? The only reason Jesus said “millstone” is because “Concrete jeans” had not been invented!


35 posted on 03/14/2013 8:09:51 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

God discussed people like this.

I think the phrase “millstone around their neck” was part of the discussion.

My heart grieves for that young woman.


36 posted on 03/14/2013 8:11:00 PM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: Morgana

Heh! Concrete jeans or lead shoes. But apparently this preacher didn’t get the message and neither did his congregation. To allow any preacher to get away with this and then cover for him is a failure of the leadership of the congregation.


37 posted on 03/14/2013 8:16:55 PM PDT by zot
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To: Morgana

Disgusting.

No other word for it.


38 posted on 03/14/2013 8:17:03 PM PDT by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: Morgana

Ah, in that case fair enough. Hope his cellmate is called ‘Tiny’ for ironic reasons...


39 posted on 03/14/2013 8:17:39 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Morgana

This “pastor” should be defrocked and locked up for a very long time.


40 posted on 03/14/2013 9:04:11 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Now I’m really angry. I watched some older news articles on this case. Not only was she in counseling with him but it was FOR sexual abuse! This man really is a creep.


41 posted on 03/14/2013 9:15:35 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Alex Murphy
I'm sorry, Alex, are you saying that it's okay, or less wrong, or less sinful, for a 55 yo man in a position of authority over a church to molest a 17 yo, as long as the victim is a girl?
42 posted on 03/15/2013 5:10:37 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Hilda
"He probably claims that it’s ok because it’s “not by works.”

ROTFL! Good one!
44 posted on 03/15/2013 6:37:18 AM PDT by MeOnTheBeach
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To: Elsie

Indiana ping

Great great grandfather probably lived in IL.


45 posted on 03/15/2013 6:42:35 AM PDT by Utah Binger (Southern Utah Mood is Fine Art)
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To: Utah Binger

The facts are that sex outside of marriage has long been documented in the scriptures as a BAD thing.

Look at David - a man after GOD’s own heart.

Woe to any lesser mortal that would do anything nearly like that today!


46 posted on 03/15/2013 7:11:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Utah Binger

Yup.

Gotta watch folks from Hancock county...


47 posted on 03/15/2013 7:12:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: driftdiver

Well, it’s also abuse of an ecclesiastical post, obviously. And that should be hooted down by all good Christians by all good means, but that part doesn’t spill over into any sort of plausible secular law. Not unless we want to invite Caesar into matters of church discipline, and Satan is clever how he uses Caesar.

But this young girl wouldn’t have even been considered underage by anything close to biblical standards. That’s the point I wished to raise.


49 posted on 03/17/2013 4:53:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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