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New York Times: Now Gathering in Rome, a Conclave of Fallible Cardinals
New York Times ^ | 02/28/2013 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 02/28/2013 9:12:04 AM PST by SeekAndFind

The sudden resignation of the most senior Roman Catholic cardinal in Britain, who stepped aside on Monday in the face of accusations that he made unwanted sexual advances toward priests years ago, showed that the taint of scandal could force a cardinal from participating in the selection of a new pope.

His exit came as at least a dozen other cardinals tarnished with accusations that they had failed to remove priests accused of sexually abusing minors were among those gathering in Rome to prepare for the conclave to select a successor to Pope Benedict XVI. There was no sign that the church’s promise to confront the sexual abuse scandal had led to direct pressure on those cardinals to exempt themselves from the conclave.

Advocates for abuse victims who were in Rome on Tuesday focused particular ire on Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, the former archbishop of Los Angeles, and called for him to be excluded from the conclave. But Cardinal Mahony, who has vigorously defended his record, was already in Rome, posting on Twitter about the weather.

Even stalwart defenders of the church point out that to disqualify Cardinal Mahony would leave many more cardinals similarly vulnerable. Many of the men who will go into the Sistine Chapel to elect a pope they hope will help the church recover from the bruising scandal of sexual abuse have themselves been blemished by it.

“Among bishops and cardinals, certainly the old guys who have been involved for so long, sure they’re going to have blood on their hands,” said Thomas G. Plante, a professor of psychology at Santa Clara University, who has served on the American bishops’ national abuse advisory board and has written three books on sexual abuse.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: cardinals; conclave; papacy; pope

1 posted on 02/28/2013 9:12:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
NYT will never mention Islam's sexual abuse scandal.
2 posted on 02/28/2013 9:14:48 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You can already see the anti-catholic implication of the title of this article from the NY Times ( and I am not even Roman Catholic ).

Implicit in the title is the question — “How can a group of fallible people choose someone among them who will be infallible after they elect him?”

You can editorialize a lot with one short sentence.


3 posted on 02/28/2013 9:17:20 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Not defending the pedophiles in the Church, because they’re corrupting it for their sick immoral (and progressive) agenda, but Peter denied Jesus three times and Paul used to persecute Christians. They were “fallible” too.

If only the NYT staff bothered to actually read the Bible.


4 posted on 02/28/2013 9:19:55 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: SeekAndFind
Indeed.

The title of the article is a childish taunt, and the quality of the reportage declines from there.

5 posted on 02/28/2013 9:20:41 AM PST by wideawake
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To: SeekAndFind

The Holy Sprit gives infallible guidance.

The Cardinals are men who oft times are not listening to the Spirit, and hence are fallible.

Apparently that’s too much rocket science for the NYT.


6 posted on 02/28/2013 9:24:06 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

Something a bit hypocritical when the Chief Newspaper of Record for Pedophiles and Transvestites attacks the Church for harboring pedophiles.

The big difference is that in the Church, they wormed their way in, and responsible leaders are trying to clean things up, whereas at the New York Times they run the whole show, under the Aegis of Pinch Sulzberger.

Hypocrisy, anyone?

The NYTimes doesn’t hate pedophiles. It hates Catholics who are trying to do something about it.

Talk about Orwellian Duckspeak.


7 posted on 02/28/2013 9:24:20 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mahony was a New York Times hero when he was fighting for amnesty for illegal aliens.


8 posted on 02/28/2013 9:29:48 AM PST by oldbill
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To: SeekAndFind

Imagine “fallible” being used for their Dear Leader.


9 posted on 02/28/2013 9:29:52 AM PST by freedomlover
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To: Cicero

The incidence of sexual abuse by teachers in public schools today has been estimated to be “more than 100 times” that by Catholic priests, and there is alarming evidence of school officials covering up abuse and failing to report suspected cases to authorities.

Yet the mainstream media has largely ignored this shocking story while still rehashing decades-old allegations of abuse by Catholic priests.

A 2004 U.S. Department of Education report reported that “the most accurate data available” reveals that “nearly 9.6 percent of [public school] students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.”

See here for the official report:

http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

This result prompted Hofstra University’s Dr. Charol Shakeshaft, the author of the study, to opine in 2006, “[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem? The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests.”

See here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/24/opinion/main1933687.shtml

A Meanwhile, that same 2004 report cited an important study from the mid-1990s:

“In an early [1994] study of 225 cases of educator sexual abuse in New York, all of the accused had admitted to sexual abuse of a student but none of the abusers was reported to authorities.”

That is an important and alarming fact:

Number of abusive educators: 225

Number reported to police: 0

So, in other words, as recently as 1994, it was the universal practice in New York among school administrators not to call police to report abusers.

The 1994 study also reported that only 1 percent of those abusive educators lost their license. In addition, most alarmingly, “25 percent received no consequence or were reprimanded informally and off-the-record. Nearly 39 percent chose to leave the district, most with positive recommendations or even retirement packages intact.”

Yet, which entity is demanding EVER MORE MONEY to failing public schools?

Answer: The lamestream media ( like the New York Times ).


10 posted on 02/28/2013 9:33:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

And, of course, 99% of the journalists and readers don’t understand what infallible means.

It doesn’t mean what they think it means. Not even close.
Heck - most catholics don’t understand it either.


11 posted on 02/28/2013 9:33:47 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Shadow44
Here's where incidents of child abuse and sexual misconduct should be focused on by the media:


12 posted on 02/28/2013 9:36:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Scotswife

The Pope isn’t infallible. The Sacraments are. My fallible Pastor told us so. And those Cardinals? They’re fallible too. Just ask them.


13 posted on 02/28/2013 9:42:53 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Shadow44

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


14 posted on 02/28/2013 9:43:54 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I would rather be caught doing just about anything than making a mockery of the Holy Spirit. They truly have no idea what they are doing or they would be prostrate begging for forgiveness. Truly God is merciful and slow to anger. It is hard not to feel a bit like Jonah these days.

The holy spirit guides the cardinals in the decision of who the next Pontiff will be. Seems that the MsM has truly given itself over as Satan’s pr firm


15 posted on 02/28/2013 9:44:22 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow, MA is blacked out!


16 posted on 02/28/2013 9:44:32 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

exactly.

I get a kick out of these “journalists” getting snarky about it, and all they do is show they haven’t a clue as to what they’re talking about


17 posted on 02/28/2013 9:46:20 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: oldbill
Mahony was a New York Times hero when he was fighting for amnesty for illegal aliens.

Inexplicably, his replacement is considered a hero of conservative Catholics, even though he fights for amnesty for illegal aliens, too.

Defeat of DREAM Act only a temporary setback, says Archbishop Gomez
Latino Bishops: Undocumented Immigrants Are Not Criminals [USCCB / Archbishop José Gómez]

18 posted on 02/28/2013 9:49:42 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: SeekAndFind

We were expecting a correct interpretation from someone named Goodstein about church tenets?

The Pope is only infallable on matters of FAITH. Cardinals, when they vote for next Pope, are imbued with knowledge to make the correct choice by the Holy Spirit.

I seriously doubt either the Pope or the voting Cardinals are infallable regarding such things as knowing which horse will win the Kentucky Derby or which stock will zoom up ten fold next. Perhaps the NY Times editor should remove his lips from Obama’s ass long enough to actually read what his paper is putting out.

Yes, this did stir me up a bit.


20 posted on 02/28/2013 9:53:13 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: SeekAndFind

Every Pope was chosen for office by fallible Cardinals. Just as every human chosen for some office since the beginning of time was chosen or elected by other fallible humans. This is nothing new - we are what we are.


21 posted on 02/28/2013 9:53:27 AM PST by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

The New York Times calling others “fallable”?

The paper that lied about Stalin’s purges, Nixon, Kennedys (all of that sordid crowd), Clintons (all of that sordid crowd), Carter, and the Obamadork and his felon/cretin friends?

The paper that never met a Muslim they didn’t cover for?

The paper that would kiss M**amm**d’s Obamahole?

Bwahahahahahahahaha.


22 posted on 02/28/2013 10:04:58 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: longfellowsmuse

I believe Jesus said that all sins can be forgiven except those against the Holy Spirit.


23 posted on 02/28/2013 11:04:30 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of those “fallible” Cardinals, I think you would find that the least among them is far better than the best among them staff of the NYT.


24 posted on 02/28/2013 11:35:12 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Shadow44

>If only the NYT staff bothered to actually read the Bible.<

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If only the NYT staff bothered to study the meaning of papal infallibility as defined by the Church.

Ah, never mind.


25 posted on 02/28/2013 12:33:16 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: SeekAndFind

But let any Cardinal explain how the events of Genesis 1-11 “could not possibly have actually happened” and the NYT will cease to regard him as fallible.


26 posted on 02/28/2013 2:12:38 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yep. All churches are full of men and women who are sinners. There is no infallibility when it comes to men. The Holy Spirit is infallible but knows when a man is actually connecting and listening to the Holy Spirit. There is no way for us to really know these things. All we can do is pray for guidance.


27 posted on 02/28/2013 3:04:38 PM PST by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind

Leave it to the Slimes.

Guess they have never heard of the guidance of the Holy Spirit and a two-thirds majority vote.

Wouldn’t that be great if our president had to meet such criteria? The Holy Spirit would never have given us Obortion O, that’s for sure.


28 posted on 02/28/2013 4:51:10 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
God bless His Holiness, Benedict XVI, Pope Emeritus!

29 posted on 02/28/2013 4:51:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Fallible”

That describes every single person on this planet, or do they think Obama would be exempt?


30 posted on 02/28/2013 4:55:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just look at the bunches of ick in the dimocrat large cities. Now you know who elected Obama.


31 posted on 02/28/2013 4:55:44 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are NO infallible people, not even at the NY TIMES


32 posted on 02/28/2013 4:57:14 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: massgopguy

In everyday matters you are correct.

But in matters of faith and morals, the Pope is infallable.

Don’t confuse impeccable (no mistakes) with infallible (speaking the truth in faith and morals.)


33 posted on 02/28/2013 4:57:40 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 353FMG
Short course for them. LOL!

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34 posted on 02/28/2013 5:00:32 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GeronL
Infallible means "able to teach without error". (Impeccable is the state of being without sin.)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you believe the human authors of Scripture taught without error when they wrote the Bible, so at least there used to be some infallible people walking around.

35 posted on 02/28/2013 5:04:05 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: SeekAndFind
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36 posted on 02/28/2013 5:19:04 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion

I think the scriptures were written by people moved by the spirit just like the old testament prophets.

It does not make them “infallible” or perfect in the rest of their life and dealings by any stretch of the imagination.


37 posted on 02/28/2013 5:19:04 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

And the three at the top of the smelly heap, Mahoney, O’Brien and some guy from Holland were the three progressives who led the fight against Ratzinger 8 years ago. They want the Church to “embrace the sexual revolution.” How’s that working out?


38 posted on 03/01/2013 6:17:29 PM PST by Mercat (Never laugh at live dragons)
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