What do you know about black history? [BYU students offensive to point of tears--laughing & crying]

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[Colofornian]

...Follow me on Stand up comic, Dave Ackerman, goes to Brigham Young University to find out what BYU students know about Black History Month.

[Safetgiver]

You forgot Walter Williams.

[Graybeard58]

Most of em wouldn’t recognize an Uncle Tom, even if they elected him twice.

Many, black and white don't know that Uncle Tom was one of the good guys.

[VermiciousKnid]

If you haven’t already done so (and I’m pretty sure you already have), you should watch “Something The Lord Made”. What a great portrayal of Dr. Thomas and Dr. Blalock’s lives!

Regards,

[reformedliberal]

These are some of the reasons that it really PISSES me off when I see what hard-won “equality” degenerated into. A lot of people (black AND white) took risks, got scorned, got beat up, got shot at and so on because they didn’t like people being called the “N” word. Now, the only people that can call people the “N” word are people whose parents and grandparents used to be called the “N” word.
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I was on vacation, speaking to an engineer, who happened to be black. He was wearing a “Black Dive Master” tshirt. I asked him why he felt there had to be a *black* dive master association. He mumbled something about people not listening to blacks within regular organizations. Being 30 years his senior, I reminded him that the battle was fought by many, many whites, back in the day, and told him he was obviating all those hard-won gains by participating in separatism. He looked sheepish, but didn’t budge.

As a child, our neighborhood had a history of racial and religious covenants. We were Jewish. When the Polish man across the street tried to organize the block against a black university professor and his family, my Dad told him that two minorities should think twice before ganging up on a third. Dad used to say that we were all just people and needed to be evaluated as individuals. He’s gone now, but he would not have been happy with how things have deteriorated.

[yldstrk]

very weird vid

[muir_redwoods]

I have and Thomas held only an honorary Dr of Laws degree. He did all his work as a high school graduate; entirely self taught on the subject of medicine. It’s the most inspiring story of black history I know.

[octex]

He woke him up and got a phone number to call the parents and tell them he would bring him back the next day, and that dad would take care of him until he was safely home.

We didn’t have a spare bed in the house, so Mom was making him a pallet on the floor, and the kid said he wanted to sleep in the bus where he was comfortable. Dad finally agreed, but he slept out there with him. I think the kid was about 8 or 9 yrs old.
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Great memory of your dad and his absence of bias back in those days. I grew up in Dallas in the ‘40-50’s and observed my grandparents being very kind to the black customers at their corner grocery. I would often carry the sack of groceries from the store to the black ladies’ homes a few blocks away, during the Summer when I spent weeks there. There was no “general” divide between whites and blacks back then. .....The divide began with JFK and LBJ, pushed by the GOP, to enact the so-called Cival Rights Act, which began the great racial divisions we endure today. jmo

[FamiliarFace]

Yes, and the Arabs and the Chinese invented every else.

[FamiliarFace]

Thanks for sharing a heartfelt story about your Dad. It’s true, that’s the way things were back in those days. You could find kind people all over, and it wasn’t out of the ordinary. People weren’t as self-absorbed as we seem to be these days. Self-reliance was commonplace.

[basil]

Oh yes—there was a divide! Looking back, I think even back then, it was the politicians that had a lot to do with it, though. I believe that among the people, especially in the neighborhoods where people were just barely making it from pay check to pay check, the divide between the races was much smaller. But, I also think people were much more genteel back then.

Of course we were segregated—in our schools, churches, movie houses—even the malt shops—restaurants, and grocery stores. It didn’t seem bad, at the time, it seemed “normal”.

I don’t know how it was in the more prosperous neighborhoods, I can only speak from what I experienced—but in our neighborhood, it was almost liked we helped each other. We had black families scattered around on the edges of our neighborhood. We didn’t “socialize” so much with them as we mainly would just nod in passing. I don’t remember actually playing with or hanging around black kids—but there was no animosity toward each other.

But this was Beaumont-—a few miles away, was Vidor! In Vidor at the time lived mainly Rednecks. The clan was very active there—and may still be for all I know (just kidding if anyone here is from Vidor—LOL), but I remember as teen agers when we started getting around a bit when someone had an old car of some kind—we never ventured into Vidor.

My point is, I think when everyone is struggling to put food on the table, and shoes on their feet, you don’t have much time nor inclination to fight each other. Of course all the racial hatred was going on all around us—we just didn’t get involved. You lived life as you found it—you pretty much stayed close to your home, or places you were familiar with—the drive in, the “white” movie houses, your friends’ houses, etc. Of course, the era I’m speaking of is the 40’s and early 50’s. Lordy only knows why this is all coming back to my pea brain right now, just because a freeper mentioned that her father was a bus driver—LOL! I now know that I must be truly old. I’m reminding myself of my grandparents who sat around and talked about “the old days” most of the time.

[Chickensoup]

Let me understand this.

Some white guy gets into some professional make up and clothing to represent a black stereotype. He is disguised.

He talks about blacks and black culture. He uses black slang on occasion it is all about being black.

and his big tagline issue is that these people both white and black did not recognize that he wasn’t black???

Is this child stupid?

[Chickensoup]

There were riots in the black section of our communities. My family offered shelter to their black help and their families, for weeks. These were good working class people who were caught up in the power struggles of a different kind.

[VermiciousKnid]

I agree; it IS inspiring.

Regards,

PS: My son has Tetrology of Fallot, so his work is especially important to us.

[muir_redwoods]

At the age of 2, my older brother was operated on in 1945 for T/F. He was operated on by Dr Blalock with pediatrician, Dr Helen Taussig assisting. Vivian Thomas was standing right behind Dr Blalock during the surgery. At the time, my brother was the youngest patient to survive the surgery.

[VermiciousKnid]

Wow! Now THAT’S a pedigree!

My Johnny’s TOF had a complete repair in August of 98. He was 6 months old, and one of the youngest to undergo the surgery as a non-emergent patient. Today repair of infants is commonplace.

He came through with flying colors and is now a 6’2” 14-year-old.

Sadly, though, he had a stroke before the sugery and has suffered some brain damage because of it. But other than that, he is in excellent health!

Muir, my I ask if your brother is still living? How is his health today? (Please ignore the question if it is too personal.)

Best to you,

[muir_redwoods]

My brother is very much alive and well and is about to turn 70. He had follow up surgery at Yale New Haven hospital in 1961 and felt so well he tried to join the Marines. They had obvious concerns. I’m 6’1” and 190 lbs. but my “big” brother is only 5’9” and about 120 lbs. He is a very healthy and vital man still running his own business. I admire him greatly.

[Jim from C-Town]

Seems to me you don’t understand what my point. There is no such thing as black history. There is History. the Black people have been an integral part of American History. This is the reason for the questions.

This entire insanity of black history only divides people along race lines. That is dangerous and wrong.

Race is one of the only things that we can never change about ourselves. That means that we must learn to work together with all people and the constant bitching and moaning and cries of racist and racism is simple bullshit.

There is no black history, there is only history. In America that means that white AND black people had immense amounts of positive and negative effects on our lives.

The only intolerant bigot in the video was the black faced comic. Every one else may be a bit ignorant, but it is to be expected that young people at a mostly white college in a mostly white state where blacks make up only around 1% of a population of almost 3,000,000 would know little about black people in history or in general. Hell, I am certain they know little about ANY sort of history.

Have you ever scene the ‘Jay Walk All Stars’?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Url1HL6oExk

[VermiciousKnid]

I am happy to hear it, both for him and for you. Thank you for sharing your story with me.

Regards,

[Elsie]

How many well educated upper middle class blacks know anything about ‘Black Culture’? Do you really think that the sons and daughters of doctors and lawyers and business owners who happen to be black are in tune with the BLACK Culture? They aren’t.

We've all heard the joke:

"99% of the lawyers give the other 1% a bad name."

so it is with with Blacks; I'm afraid:

"75-80% of the black folks, in the news, give the other 20-25% a bad name."

Yes; the culture HAS descended into the pits; but there are an awful lot of fine balck folks out there who are trying to pull it back together.

It is the WHITE (mostly) liberal press that continues to put the bad things in our faces, and it's been the WHITE (mostly) liberals who have passed the laws that have brought the Black culture down (along with many, many Whites as well).

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We should NOT be surprised that when bad behaviour is subsidized; we'll get a LOT more of it.

[Elsie]

 

 What do you know about MORMONism and black history?

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

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Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 

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