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Do we need greater gun control?: First lady is right person to lead charge on sensible policy
J Weekly - Covering the SF Jewish Bay Area ^ | January 10, 2013 | Rabbi Amy Eilberg

Posted on 01/10/2013 7:29:54 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Along with citizens throughout our nation and beyond, I was anguished by the death of the beautiful, innocent children of Sandy Hook Elementary School. In the wake of the shootings, I was gripped first with deep grief and then with a powerful wave of activist energy.

I hoped that this most horrific incident of gun violence would shake the nation from complacency and stir the adoption of sensible gun control legislation. I believed that all over the country, parents of all stripes and persuasions — including gun owners — would recognize that a civilized nation cannot continue to allow policies that make such unimaginable acts possible. I feared that the calls for gun regulation that filled the airwaves just after the shooting would be drowned out by the next compelling news item.

Several great national leaders have stepped up to lead a national gun reform campaign: Vice President Joe Biden (who has the passion and political expertise), New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg (who has the money), and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (the legislative vantage point), to name a few. Many fine national organizations — including a remarkable range of national Jewish organizations — have begun sophisticated organizing campaigns. (I urge every reader of j. to sign the petition at http://www.endgunviolencenow.org.)

The general contours of thoughtful violence-prevention policy have begun to emerge. These include legislation limiting access to assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, effective enforcement of firearm regulations and registration of arms. More complex are questions about how inadequate mental health services contribute, in very small numbers, to gun violence, and a broad conversation about sanctioned violence in news, media, entertainment and sports.

To effect such changes, the president and his congressional allies will need to demonstrate an unstoppable groundswell of support from the American people....

(Excerpt) Read more at jweekly.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Judaism; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; guncontrol; michelleobama; obama; secondamendment
Rabbi Amy Eilberg teaches and writes about living with conflict and difference from her home in St. Paul, Minn.
1 posted on 01/10/2013 7:30:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The citizens of the USA already have gun control, it is called the 2nd Amendment.


2 posted on 01/10/2013 7:33:21 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I keep hearing about "sensible gun control legislation". I have no idea what it means.

Kind of like an "affordable care act".

3 posted on 01/10/2013 7:36:29 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not to pick overwhelmingly on her religion, but there seem to be a greater than normal mix of a certain religion, in those who seek to control guns.

Did you not learn once?

Stop it.


4 posted on 01/10/2013 7:38:10 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Another Jew bereft of any sense of history or self-preservation.


5 posted on 01/10/2013 7:39:24 PM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: Noumenon
Actually, the attitude is a tradition dating back to the middle ages when some Jews were more likely to survive public disturbances if the local duke, dictator, king or whathaveyou protected them.

Consequently rather than approaching public problems from the standpoint of discovering what might be workable and useful solutions, they watch what the big dogs are saying and run with them.

It's a real waste of first class minds to get caught up into that sort of thing, but there it is.

6 posted on 01/10/2013 7:43:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rabbi Amy Eilberg

Problem #1 right there.

7 posted on 01/10/2013 7:45:31 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Today’s younger generation will live to see their children and grandchildren live in bondage. Hell, all of us may live to see it.


8 posted on 01/10/2013 7:52:30 PM PST by Terry Mross
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She wants to put Moochelle in charge of confiscating our guns now. Perfect.


9 posted on 01/10/2013 7:58:16 PM PST by Argus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We don’t need “sensible gun control” we need “sensible government control.” The 2nd Amendment was intended to provide such a check in the most terrible of exigencies.


10 posted on 01/10/2013 7:59:12 PM PST by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: svcw

“Rabbi Amy”

FIRST red flag.

“...a civilized nation...”

Yes, amy. WE are MOSTLY a civilized nation with the world’s MOST uncivilized enemies, some of whom might be your next door neighbors.
Then again, amy, you are leftist trash so why should I care if YOU enjoy gas showers and hot ovens?


11 posted on 01/10/2013 7:59:57 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Amy’s brain doesn’t appear to function correctly.


12 posted on 01/10/2013 8:11:03 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Germans in 1928 passed “sensible gun control legislation”, so when Hitler was elected in 1933, he did not get a lot of opposition later when he put a lot of people in the railroad box cars , for a trip.


14 posted on 01/10/2013 8:50:36 PM PST by gatex (NRA, and Gun Owners of America)
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To: KC_Lion

Cor-rect. According to Jewish law, a woman cannot be a rabbi. Therefore, we can safely assume that little Amy-la is a Reform Jew, if indeed she is actually Jewish according to Jewish law. This handily illustrates that we would EXPECT such libby drivel from someone who is both ignorant of Jewish law and chooses to flout its statutes. She reminds me of Sandra Flunk.


15 posted on 01/10/2013 9:04:55 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Rabbi Amy”. You could stop reading right there, as you would know she is “Reform” and therefore not a legitimate “rabbi”.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 9:14:05 PM PST by montag813
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To: Last Dakotan
Photobucket FReepers will be watching developments closely...
18 posted on 01/10/2013 9:22:00 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: One Name

Nice pic. /drool


19 posted on 01/10/2013 9:42:18 PM PST by mykroar ("I'm afraid I can't use a mule. I have several hundred up on Capitol Hill." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: mykroar
disclaimer-- a friend from down South sent that to me. Looks like a good FReeper den. Photobucket Need some vehicles to support border vigilance.
20 posted on 01/10/2013 9:50:59 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry Amy. Your pal Moochelle is highly overrated.


21 posted on 01/10/2013 10:04:03 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Impeach Obama Now.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“DO we need greater gun control?”

Probably. I would really not want to have to waste more than one round per thug, civillian criminal or government thug. Always good to have personal goals.


22 posted on 01/10/2013 10:08:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mykroar; One Name
Yes, but he's missing a Baryon Number Inverter. You don't really have a complete arsenal / independent power supply without Pair Production.

In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.

23 posted on 01/10/2013 10:33:34 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: KC_Lion

she has more than 1 problem...

24 posted on 01/10/2013 10:36:39 PM PST by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: FredZarguna

I guess we should work on that gap in the master plan.

I bailed on Physics about 35 years ago; we need an astute theoretician with lab experience to step up and take over the Program.

Volunteers?


25 posted on 01/10/2013 10:47:05 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Somehow, looking at the gun purchases, I don’t think the “unstoppable groundswell” will go in her direction.


26 posted on 01/10/2013 10:53:04 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: One Name

Jealous!!!


27 posted on 01/10/2013 10:54:30 PM PST by Politicalmom (Liberalism. Ideas so great they have to be mandatory.-FReeper Osage Orange)
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To: One Name

I’ve already got mine.


29 posted on 01/11/2013 12:30:45 AM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor; KC_Lion

So much for the theory that she has no rabbinical authority because she’s not a man.


30 posted on 01/11/2013 12:33:32 AM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: Terry Mross

Rather we will live to see a second American civil war. It will happen the way things are going.


31 posted on 01/11/2013 2:00:10 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: FredZarguna

She must be from one of the more liberal versions of the Jewish faith.


32 posted on 01/11/2013 2:02:30 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: EinNYC

But that is depending on WHAT branch of Jewish faith it is. The liberal branches permit women to be rabbis.


33 posted on 01/11/2013 2:08:50 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Really?!?!? "First time I'm proud" MEEEEEE!chelle?

How about we resolve "Crustacean control" first? The woman can't take a trip to an inland Walmart without sending the local lobster population into a frenzied terror.

How about "just no."

34 posted on 01/11/2013 4:03:53 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Biggirl
I could call myself a "liberal branch" of Americans and state that it's OK to drown babies. What does that prove? That I can make up laws as I go along? There is only ONE Torah, it was not written by mortal man. Those individuals or groups who choose to have their own take on it cannot claim to be adherents to it. They can claim their beliefs and practices to be "Jewish-LIKE", just like Naugahyde LOOKS like leather.

The fact that Jewish women are not permitted to be rabbis has nothing to do with assigning women a "second class" status, BTW. Men and women in Judaism are assigned different roles to fulfill all the tasks which need to be done. Jewish women are considered to be on a higher spiritual level from the get-go. They are exempted from time-related mitzvos, such as making it to the synagogue 3x/day for services, because it is assumed that they have child-rearing duties, for example, which would make that difficult. They also do not have to pray with a minyan (quorum of 10 men). It is considered immodest and it is forbidden to touch men who are not your father, husband or son. Likewise, men are not to touch women who are not their mother, wife or daughter. This would make it very difficult therefore to be a rabbi and be among men all day long. Jewish women are also not encouraged to put themselves forward and be a noticeable part of a mixed group, out of modesty. So you can see where being a rabbi would be outside of Jewish law. This woman does not speak for "The Jews", but rather for herself.

35 posted on 01/11/2013 4:46:05 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems to me that the ability to refurbish an unused school in two weeks so that the children in CT can have a school shows remarkable speed. I wasn’t aware there was such a large contingent of construction, electrical, computer and facilities engineers and personnel available in the area, let alone the temporary housing required.

I was also amazed that emergency vehicles could make it through the array of cars strewn everywhere there at the CT school on Dec 14.

If these concepts are sensible, I would like to see the budget for them and their consequences.


36 posted on 01/11/2013 5:15:51 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Last Dakotan
Here's some "sensible gun control legislation":

Authorize each State's National Guard to offer military grade rifle and pistol marksmanship training at reasonable cost to all peaceable, taxpaying citizens. There are, apparently, several hundred million rifles, pistols, and shotguns owned by the private citizens of these United States. The owners of said firearms need to have the greatest effectiveness in controlling them.

It's for the children ... if better preparedness for self-defense saves even one life, it's worth it.

37 posted on 01/11/2013 5:22:21 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
To effect such changes, the president and his congressional allies will need to demonstrate an unstoppable groundswell of support from the American people.

Record-Low 26% in U.S. Favor Handgun Ban

38 posted on 01/11/2013 6:11:22 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: One Name

Impressive


39 posted on 01/11/2013 6:24:33 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: ArrogantBustard
Here's some "sensible gun control legislation":

Oh I know well what the left is up to using that terminology, and when you control the media you can get that terminology in widespread use.

Obliviously anybody who disagrees with them is insensible and unreasonable. /sarc

40 posted on 01/11/2013 6:31:01 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

OK ... I’m suggesting that we turn their rhetoric against them, and that we take the offensive in this war of words and ideas. Yes, we must oppose whatever insanity they’re puking up at the moment. We must also propose and advance our own agenda of liberty and self reliance. It’s not enough just to argue about whether the latest repressive outrage from the left is a good idea or not. We MUST turn the conversation toward what increases in personal freedom should be enacted first. This strategy has proven successful in the several States.


41 posted on 01/11/2013 6:48:39 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Talisker

Well said...


42 posted on 01/11/2013 6:51:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: svcw
Not that facts enter into the gun control debate now that the Left-wing extremists see an opportunity to end America as we knew it, but here are two journal articles that illustrate the unintended consequences of gun control, namely increased murder and suicide rates, and mass-murder by government of its own citizens.

WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE?, Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, Volume 30, Number 2, Spring 2007 (pp. 649-694)

OF HOLOCAUSTS AND GUN CONTROL, Washington University Law Quarterly, Volume 75, Number 3, Fall 1997 (pp. 1237-1275) (PDF Version)

43 posted on 01/11/2013 11:34:35 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Biggirl
She must be from one of the more liberal versions of the Jewish faith.

Subjected to suitable modifications, we agree:

"She" must be from one of the more liberal versions of the "Jewish" faith.

44 posted on 01/11/2013 3:28:34 PM PST by FredZarguna (In a well-regulated FReeper den, the right to create and deploy antimatter shall not be infringed.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
————
R E P O R T
OF THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION
OF THE
COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
UNITED STATES SENATE
NINETY-SEVENTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
FEBRUARY 1982
Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary
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U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE
88-618

http://www.constitution.org/2ll/2ndschol/87senrpt.pdf


45 posted on 01/11/2013 3:45:24 PM PST by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: One Name

46 posted on 01/13/2013 8:12:11 AM PST by onedoug
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