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Mormon reply to thread "Mormons in Mourning: Post Election Depression"
FramReport Blog ^ | December 29, 2012 | Greg West

Posted on 12/30/2012 10:06:43 AM PST by greyfoxx39

Mormons and "post-election depression"

Back on November 8th, Kathryn Skaggs wrote an article on her blog, "Mormons in Mourning: Post Election Depression." In the article she expresses the dismay at having the hopes that Romney might have been the fulfillment of several prophetic statements by early Church leaders regarding a time when the elders of Israel (LDS priesthood) would save the Constitution when it should hang by a thread. Sister Skaggs and other conservatives had their hopes dashed when Romney lost.

The reason I mention this nearly two-month old article is that it has surfaced on Free Republic,
posted by anti-Mormon "Greyfoxx39." It begins with a selectively highlighted copy of the article (which probably violates Ms. Skagg's copyrights if there are any) and then includes this analysis from Greyfoxx39:

"This article illustrates the dirty campaigning that was done by Romney and his sycophants beginning in the 2008 electoral cycle when they were hoping to harm Governor Palin’s reputation to the point she wouldn’t be a viable candidate in the future. All to pave the way for Mitt. And in 2012 these tactics were used against all the other primary candidates in order again, to pave the way for Mitt.
"I don't believe Tagg Romney. I believe that Mitt not only wanted the presidency, but he believed he was foreordained by way of the mormon religion to become the "man on the White Horse". The mormon leaders had already planned ahead for a blitz campaign to convert others including Christians, because there is an attitude of "specialness" and belief that the sect in the future will rule the world fostered by the religion in its members.
"Instead, Mitt Romney has given this country four more disastrous years of Barack Obama."
After this introduction, the anti-Mormon "ping list" gets activated to invite Elsie, svcw, Zakeet, Tennessee Nana, aMorePerfectUnion, Godzilla, fishtank, metmom, and others to the thread. Once there, the anti-Mormon sharks begin their feeding frenzy. Nothing new, really. So why do I mention it. I want to discuss the perceptions of LDS conservatives on this prophecy vs. the views of LDS liberals. Yes, there are LDS liberals and moderates.
There are those of us who separate our politics and our religion. There are those of us who are libertarians and democrats as well as republicans. Not all American Mormons are conservative republicans. Some of us see the GOP as having been co-opted by Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and corporatists who have linked arms with religious conservatives in an unholy alliance of Mammon and false religion.
If latter-day saints are going to be true to their principles, we have to accept and teach that an apostasy took place. The first message to this dispensation, brought to the world by God the Father and Jesus Christ in a personal appearance to the Prophet Joseph Smith was that none of the religions of the world were recognized as his. They had no authority. They taught the doctrines of men. Their professors were corrupt. Their creeds were an abomination. Unfortunately, that message can't be sugar-coated. It is the very reason there had to be a restoration. If we become too desirous for acceptance by mainstream denominations, we undercut our reason to exist at all as a faith.
Thus, the Republican party is no more righteous or moral than the Democrat party. The conservative Christians may decry the Democrats over abortion, gay marriage, etc., but their religious tenets are not endorsed by the God of Heaven who appeared to Joseph Smith. Both sides are utterly "telestial" in their approach. If the religious right were to exercise power unchecked by liberals, they would rule as ruthlessly as the Taliban did in Afghanistan. And among their targets would be latter-day saints. We have felt their heavy hand in places like Missouri and Nauvoo in our past.
Sister Skaggs and her fellow conservatives were sorely mistaken to hitch their hopes to a politician. They misunderstand the prophecies, having never studied them in detail. There are various iterations of these in our "folklore" and the confusion results from the doctrines of men being mingled with scripture. They omit parts of the accounts that don't jibe with their interpretations. For example, Orson Pratt, an early LDS apostle and associate of Joseph Smith said that, as best as he could remember, Joseph Smith said "if" the Constitution is to be saved, it would be by the elders of Israel. Brigham Young said that the saints would preserve the principles of the Constitution in Zion. Nowhere did they say that the United States survives as a political entity.
In fact, we know from the voice of the Lord in Section 89 that he will make a "full end of all nations" ultimately. Zion, the kingdom of God, will be the last one standing. All other political systems and nations will collapse, including the United States of America. Mitt Romney will not save it. Mormon elders will not save it. What will happen, according to all the prophecies, is that the freedoms we treasure will be held inviolate in Zion when it is established. All nations will flow unto it (Isaiah 2:2). Those who will not take up the sword against their neighbors in the tribulations of the last days will flee to it (Doctrine and Covenants 45:68). It will be protected by divine power, not by military might or by armed citizens (Doctrine and Covenants 45:67, 70).
Because of the work of secret combinations that have political parties both in the United States and abroad, the current system of nation-states is being collapsed. The Book of Mormon tells us that these secret conspirators seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations (Ether 8:25). Through them, Satan intends to establish a false Zion, a global political system that will oppose the true kingdom of God on earth. This is the "beast" of the book of Revelation. We know that the Lord will permit it to have dominion for a time, times, and half a time (42 months, 1260 days, ) (See Revelation 12 and 13, Daniel 12). It will speak against God and his kingdom. It will "wear out" the saints of the Most High (Daniel 7:25).
When this kingdom comes to power, Zion will have risen from the collapsed ruins of America. Think of the story of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by his brethren. Joseph was given power and authority, symbolized by his coat of many colors. His revelations told him that his brethren would show honor to him and that he had the right to rule. In the last days, God has gathered the tribe of Ephraim, Joseph's son through the missionary work since the Restoration. The descendants of Joseph have been given priesthood authority--the only legitimate authority on earth or in heaven.
Like Joseph's brethren, who envied him and sought his destruction, there have been those who have sought to destroy the tribe of Joseph who has been doing God's bidding since 1830. Nevertheless, a famine has been set upon the land. In Egypt, it was a literal famine. In our day, it is a famine for hearing the word of God (Amos 8:11). In the future, it will also be a literal famine because the Lord has revealed it (Doctrine and Covenants 29:16, 43:25, 87:6).
The time is now that those who desire the word of God must come to the people of Joseph to obtain their spiritual nourishment. The time will come in the future when they will come to us to have physical nourishment as well. In the midst of tribulation, Mormons will offer safety and refuge to the honest-in-heart who come in their need.
The wicked among both the churched and unchurched will revile against Zion and fight against it. Anti-Mormons do so now. They will continue to do so until their opposition ensures God's judgment upon them when they are fully ripe in their wickedness.
Mitt Romney, the GOP, the Democrats, and other groups are playing out their parts. Sister Skaggs should not be disappointed by Mitt's failed candidacy. It is a win-win for the Church. The Church benefited to some degree from the enhanced profile during the election. It weathered some opposition that strengthened us. Many people ended up with more favorable opinions. When it comes time for them to come to Zion, they will feel much more positively disposed to seek refuge with the saints. The other "win" for the Church comes because, without Romney in office, it doesn't have to bear the brunt of criticism that might come from failed policies or various conspiracy theories our enemies might invent. We got all the benefit and none of the downside.
There is no reason for latter-day saints to be depressed in Mitt's defeat. Our faith is in Christ. Hard times will come. Tribulations will make it seem like we will lose the battle. The Lord will let us be tried to our utmost, but he will deliver us. Zion will stand and be a source of deliverance to the righteous from all nations. It doesn't matter if Barack Obama is president or Mitt Romney. All of these prophecies will play out according to the Lord's omniscient foreknowledge. Our duty is to bear witness of Christ and his kingdom, not play politics with those of the telestial world. Babylon and its political parties isn't going to win in the end.
To the anti-Mormons on Free Republic: our foes will mock, but they will ultimately mourn. We will enjoy all the promised blessings if we remain faithful and build Zion with our time, means, service, and prayers. As the Lord has told us, "lift up your heads and be of good cheer."
8:20 PM


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Other Christian; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: antichristian; mormon; mormonhissyfit; theologyparanoia
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To: Tennessee Nana

Wow that kinda came out of left field towards you Nana...


81 posted on 12/30/2012 3:36:33 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Little Bill

That was really pathetic.


82 posted on 12/30/2012 3:37:59 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Little Bill

10 of my ancestors had their houses burnt down and their land stolen by the rebels

THREE ancestor murdered

sorry I forgot the young girl imprisoned and gang raped and killed by the rebels

and her uncle who was burned to death while bed ridden in the house...

The rebels wouldnt let the family rescue him..

yours ???


83 posted on 12/30/2012 3:46:43 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: fattigermaster

Well when it’s all ya got...


84 posted on 12/30/2012 3:47:33 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: fattigermaster

Well when it’s all ya got...


85 posted on 12/30/2012 3:47:55 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: fattigermaster

Well when it’s all ya got...


86 posted on 12/30/2012 3:48:08 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Little Bill
Ya know LB I have taken and reflected on your post. I now see that the Book of Mormon is indeed the inspired word of god and Joseph Smith was truly his prophet

Or was I thinking Dianetics...

87 posted on 12/30/2012 3:52:52 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

Lil ol Billy does this nownthen...

Im proud of my many Loyalist ancestors...

They lived on the frontiers of PA and NY and knew the Indian languages and were mostly descendants of early arrivals..1600s

I trace my earliest family back to 1623/24...

Billy...not so much...


88 posted on 12/30/2012 3:53:39 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Little Bill

Courtesy PING t6o #88

I discussed your obsession with my ancestors...


89 posted on 12/30/2012 3:56:33 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: ejonesie22

No you were thinking Mohammad...

Joey Smith was a wannabe...

Joey idolized Mo...


91 posted on 12/30/2012 4:00:00 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Happy Rain

Is this a Mormon-bashing, or a Catholic-bashing thread? I really need to know, because I’m desperate to feel superior to somebody. /s


92 posted on 12/30/2012 4:01:51 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Tennessee Nana

And of course he brings this up because...

Who the heck knows.

If LDS or supporter it’s just another of those “look over there” moments...


93 posted on 12/30/2012 4:05:00 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Keep trying, I have faith in you...


95 posted on 12/30/2012 4:07:01 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
You have to move up from crack, I am not Mormon. I am conviced that Calvin was correct about the depravity of man.
96 posted on 12/30/2012 4:07:23 PM PST by Little Bill (A)
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To: ejonesie22
I was hoping for some guidance: to whom should I feel superior? The Mormon part, I get . . . but Catholics, also?
98 posted on 12/30/2012 4:10:28 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Little Bill
Ah well then you posts make perfect sense then, I can see where your initial entry was germane to the subject at hand.. Carry on of course...
99 posted on 12/30/2012 4:11:53 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Depends on your definition of superior...


100 posted on 12/30/2012 4:13:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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