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Mormon reply to thread "Mormons in Mourning: Post Election Depression"
FramReport Blog ^ | December 29, 2012 | Greg West

Posted on 12/30/2012 10:06:43 AM PST by greyfoxx39

Mormons and "post-election depression"

Back on November 8th, Kathryn Skaggs wrote an article on her blog, "Mormons in Mourning: Post Election Depression." In the article she expresses the dismay at having the hopes that Romney might have been the fulfillment of several prophetic statements by early Church leaders regarding a time when the elders of Israel (LDS priesthood) would save the Constitution when it should hang by a thread. Sister Skaggs and other conservatives had their hopes dashed when Romney lost.

The reason I mention this nearly two-month old article is that it has surfaced on Free Republic,
posted by anti-Mormon "Greyfoxx39." It begins with a selectively highlighted copy of the article (which probably violates Ms. Skagg's copyrights if there are any) and then includes this analysis from Greyfoxx39:

"This article illustrates the dirty campaigning that was done by Romney and his sycophants beginning in the 2008 electoral cycle when they were hoping to harm Governor Palin’s reputation to the point she wouldn’t be a viable candidate in the future. All to pave the way for Mitt. And in 2012 these tactics were used against all the other primary candidates in order again, to pave the way for Mitt.
"I don't believe Tagg Romney. I believe that Mitt not only wanted the presidency, but he believed he was foreordained by way of the mormon religion to become the "man on the White Horse". The mormon leaders had already planned ahead for a blitz campaign to convert others including Christians, because there is an attitude of "specialness" and belief that the sect in the future will rule the world fostered by the religion in its members.
"Instead, Mitt Romney has given this country four more disastrous years of Barack Obama."
After this introduction, the anti-Mormon "ping list" gets activated to invite Elsie, svcw, Zakeet, Tennessee Nana, aMorePerfectUnion, Godzilla, fishtank, metmom, and others to the thread. Once there, the anti-Mormon sharks begin their feeding frenzy. Nothing new, really. So why do I mention it. I want to discuss the perceptions of LDS conservatives on this prophecy vs. the views of LDS liberals. Yes, there are LDS liberals and moderates.
There are those of us who separate our politics and our religion. There are those of us who are libertarians and democrats as well as republicans. Not all American Mormons are conservative republicans. Some of us see the GOP as having been co-opted by Wall Street, the military-industrial complex, and corporatists who have linked arms with religious conservatives in an unholy alliance of Mammon and false religion.
If latter-day saints are going to be true to their principles, we have to accept and teach that an apostasy took place. The first message to this dispensation, brought to the world by God the Father and Jesus Christ in a personal appearance to the Prophet Joseph Smith was that none of the religions of the world were recognized as his. They had no authority. They taught the doctrines of men. Their professors were corrupt. Their creeds were an abomination. Unfortunately, that message can't be sugar-coated. It is the very reason there had to be a restoration. If we become too desirous for acceptance by mainstream denominations, we undercut our reason to exist at all as a faith.
Thus, the Republican party is no more righteous or moral than the Democrat party. The conservative Christians may decry the Democrats over abortion, gay marriage, etc., but their religious tenets are not endorsed by the God of Heaven who appeared to Joseph Smith. Both sides are utterly "telestial" in their approach. If the religious right were to exercise power unchecked by liberals, they would rule as ruthlessly as the Taliban did in Afghanistan. And among their targets would be latter-day saints. We have felt their heavy hand in places like Missouri and Nauvoo in our past.
Sister Skaggs and her fellow conservatives were sorely mistaken to hitch their hopes to a politician. They misunderstand the prophecies, having never studied them in detail. There are various iterations of these in our "folklore" and the confusion results from the doctrines of men being mingled with scripture. They omit parts of the accounts that don't jibe with their interpretations. For example, Orson Pratt, an early LDS apostle and associate of Joseph Smith said that, as best as he could remember, Joseph Smith said "if" the Constitution is to be saved, it would be by the elders of Israel. Brigham Young said that the saints would preserve the principles of the Constitution in Zion. Nowhere did they say that the United States survives as a political entity.
In fact, we know from the voice of the Lord in Section 89 that he will make a "full end of all nations" ultimately. Zion, the kingdom of God, will be the last one standing. All other political systems and nations will collapse, including the United States of America. Mitt Romney will not save it. Mormon elders will not save it. What will happen, according to all the prophecies, is that the freedoms we treasure will be held inviolate in Zion when it is established. All nations will flow unto it (Isaiah 2:2). Those who will not take up the sword against their neighbors in the tribulations of the last days will flee to it (Doctrine and Covenants 45:68). It will be protected by divine power, not by military might or by armed citizens (Doctrine and Covenants 45:67, 70).
Because of the work of secret combinations that have political parties both in the United States and abroad, the current system of nation-states is being collapsed. The Book of Mormon tells us that these secret conspirators seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations (Ether 8:25). Through them, Satan intends to establish a false Zion, a global political system that will oppose the true kingdom of God on earth. This is the "beast" of the book of Revelation. We know that the Lord will permit it to have dominion for a time, times, and half a time (42 months, 1260 days, ) (See Revelation 12 and 13, Daniel 12). It will speak against God and his kingdom. It will "wear out" the saints of the Most High (Daniel 7:25).
When this kingdom comes to power, Zion will have risen from the collapsed ruins of America. Think of the story of Joseph who was sold into Egypt by his brethren. Joseph was given power and authority, symbolized by his coat of many colors. His revelations told him that his brethren would show honor to him and that he had the right to rule. In the last days, God has gathered the tribe of Ephraim, Joseph's son through the missionary work since the Restoration. The descendants of Joseph have been given priesthood authority--the only legitimate authority on earth or in heaven.
Like Joseph's brethren, who envied him and sought his destruction, there have been those who have sought to destroy the tribe of Joseph who has been doing God's bidding since 1830. Nevertheless, a famine has been set upon the land. In Egypt, it was a literal famine. In our day, it is a famine for hearing the word of God (Amos 8:11). In the future, it will also be a literal famine because the Lord has revealed it (Doctrine and Covenants 29:16, 43:25, 87:6).
The time is now that those who desire the word of God must come to the people of Joseph to obtain their spiritual nourishment. The time will come in the future when they will come to us to have physical nourishment as well. In the midst of tribulation, Mormons will offer safety and refuge to the honest-in-heart who come in their need.
The wicked among both the churched and unchurched will revile against Zion and fight against it. Anti-Mormons do so now. They will continue to do so until their opposition ensures God's judgment upon them when they are fully ripe in their wickedness.
Mitt Romney, the GOP, the Democrats, and other groups are playing out their parts. Sister Skaggs should not be disappointed by Mitt's failed candidacy. It is a win-win for the Church. The Church benefited to some degree from the enhanced profile during the election. It weathered some opposition that strengthened us. Many people ended up with more favorable opinions. When it comes time for them to come to Zion, they will feel much more positively disposed to seek refuge with the saints. The other "win" for the Church comes because, without Romney in office, it doesn't have to bear the brunt of criticism that might come from failed policies or various conspiracy theories our enemies might invent. We got all the benefit and none of the downside.
There is no reason for latter-day saints to be depressed in Mitt's defeat. Our faith is in Christ. Hard times will come. Tribulations will make it seem like we will lose the battle. The Lord will let us be tried to our utmost, but he will deliver us. Zion will stand and be a source of deliverance to the righteous from all nations. It doesn't matter if Barack Obama is president or Mitt Romney. All of these prophecies will play out according to the Lord's omniscient foreknowledge. Our duty is to bear witness of Christ and his kingdom, not play politics with those of the telestial world. Babylon and its political parties isn't going to win in the end.
To the anti-Mormons on Free Republic: our foes will mock, but they will ultimately mourn. We will enjoy all the promised blessings if we remain faithful and build Zion with our time, means, service, and prayers. As the Lord has told us, "lift up your heads and be of good cheer."
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To: Happy Rain
("November 6, 2012--the day Joe Smith and Brigham Young finally got their revenge on America.")



...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

41 posted on 12/30/2012 1:01:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
besides the fact he murdered 2 men with a gun during his attempt at a jail break...


 
 

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

42 posted on 12/30/2012 1:03:38 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Plus his one and only LEGAL wife Emma Hale set him up for the years of cheating on her ...


43 posted on 12/30/2012 1:04:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Plus his one and only LEGAL wife Emma Hale set him up for the years of cheating on her ...

 
 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice
 
 
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon. At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma). In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
 
Wow!!
 
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!



44 posted on 12/30/2012 1:05:11 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Williams
Nice try slick. Tell you what, you have a group attack and defame your Savior and faith with their very doctrine, to the point of it being fiction and lunacy and tell me that you, who had been directed by that very Savior to defend the faith, would sit back and say nothing and I will show you the definition of a person who lacks the courage of their convictions, as sadly more and more Christian do toady.

As far as the effects on this site, the Mormons a left primarily ranting amongst themselves. we claim at leas 3-5 souls saved and many more given pause and starting to question. I know of no Mormon converts on FR who joined because of their activities.

If the truth diminished FreeRepublic then the site would be as worthless as the DU. Since FR stands for the truth its dissenters have also gone off to sulk among themselves on a myriad of other ranting forums.

Obviously FR has some value to you, you are still here...

45 posted on 12/30/2012 1:07:44 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39

BTW I just want to say Hi Greg, cool rant buddy. But why does my name not have a hyperlink on your little enemies list. Is it done by quantity of posts?


46 posted on 12/30/2012 1:09:53 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22; Jim Robinson

Ping to #45

Thank you, Jim, for FREE Republic!


47 posted on 12/30/2012 1:10:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Happy Rain

ah, No Smith was shot while trying to break out of jail, after guns were smuggled to him and he killed two guards.
You do know why Smith was in jail - right?
polygamy, destruction of private property, burning down newspapers, bank fraud, adultery, polygamy, pedophilia, rapes, thievery, cons, delinquent debt.....treason.


48 posted on 12/30/2012 1:11:20 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ejonesie22

OOOOOOH!!

Do I have one???


49 posted on 12/30/2012 1:11:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Happy Rain
Hey, they sided with the Nazis, so they have had some practice...
50 posted on 12/30/2012 1:14:41 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Happy Rain
Hey, they sided with the Nazis, so they have had some practice...
51 posted on 12/30/2012 1:14:52 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

The Mormons sided with the Nazis? Send me a link on that!


52 posted on 12/30/2012 1:19:08 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yes the Mormon s in Germany did side with the Nazis...

they betrayed the Jews and others there and caused countless deaths...

Because the Mormons were such good friends to the Nazis and sympathetic with them against the Jews, the Mormons were the only rteligious group allowed to stay and prosylize in the 30s and 40s...

the Christians w2re persecuted ort arrested or deported...


53 posted on 12/30/2012 1:27:35 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Some nice quotes to keep you occupied:

Mormon authors Alan F. Keele and Douglas F. Tobler

“The Führer’s New Clothes

***Hitler enjoyed at least as much popularity among German Mormons as he did among the population in general. Church members even saw Hitler as God’s instrument, preparing the world for the millennium.

***Thousands of Mormon families sent their sons to fight for the Reich. The vital importance of “Aryan” ancestry gave new significance to genealogical research. And the Führer himself, the non-smoking, non-drinking vegetarian who yielded to no one in his desire for absolute law and order, seemed to embody many of the most basic LDS virtues.

***An article written for a special issue of the Nazi Party organ Der Volkische Beobachter by the LDS Mission President to West Germany, Alfred C. Rees, “abounds in such loaded terms as Volk and Rasse (race), and a picture of Brigham Young bears the caption,’Führer der historischen Mormonenpioniere.’ Very disturbing is the way President Rees blatantly parallels Mormonism with Nazism…Mormonism sounds like a fulfillment of Nazi teachings


54 posted on 12/30/2012 1:32:11 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Wow! I never knew that. How do Mormons today feel about that? Any Mormons want to respond? Anyone? Anyone?


55 posted on 12/30/2012 1:34:00 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

http://exmormon.org/d6/drupal/Mormon-Endorsement-of-Hitler-and-the-Nazis%20

http://mormonthink.com/QUOTES/nazi.htm

http://blogs.standard.net/the-political-surf/2011/12/13/lds-church-through-church-news-praised-hitler-nazi-germany/


56 posted on 12/30/2012 1:35:08 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

They will of course lie about it...

To call Mormons opportunist is to call the Rocky Mountains a few little hills...


57 posted on 12/30/2012 1:37:07 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Jack Hydrazine
"Hitler enjoyed at least as much popularity among German Saints as he did among the population in general. His apparent dynamism and self-confidence seemed to show a way out of the chaos and weakness of the Weimar years. Moreover, as ‘good Germans,' the Mormons were acutely aware that Hitler had risen to power through legal channels... Some Church members even saw Hitler as God’s instrument, preparing the world for the millennium. Superficial parallels were drawn between the Church and the Nazi party with its emphasis on active involvement by every member... The vital importance of ‘Aryan’ ancestry gave new significance to genealogical research. And the Fuhrer himself, the non-smoking, non-drinking vegetarian who yielded to no one in his desire for absolute law and order, seemed to embody many of the most basic LDS virtues."

- Alan F. Keele and Douglas F. Tobler, “The Fuhrer’s New Clothes: Helmuth Huebner and the Mormons in the Third Reich,” Sunstone, v. 5, no. 6, pp. 20-29

Link

58 posted on 12/30/2012 1:38:52 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney's gift to the country....Boehner bowing to Obama while kicking the Tea Party.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Irony, the LDS were still on about Aryan purity long after Hitler was dead and gone. Until 1978 at least...


59 posted on 12/30/2012 1:41:48 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for the restoration.


60 posted on 12/30/2012 1:45:31 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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