Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
You just caused multiple heads to explode here!
This is what someone gleened from wherever - not how the Lord is understood by believer. Heresy is a word used to keep the Catholics in line with thought control. Again, I supposed you all have elected yourself popes of the whole of Christianity. I’m sure you all will find a cozy spot in hell where you can talk amongst yourselves...
Thank's for not bullying (or judging) folks who post scripture and other true facts.
It's well noted.
You SURE you ain't MORMON; for they tend to re-define words to suit their choosing, too.
Heresy is a deviation from established orthodoxy.
 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' |
“But HEY! - what do I know? “
Too much! Thanks.
Well I will grant the you do a good job of pointing out that Momonism with their the completely separate gods are wrong, but wouldn’t that be bullying...
Well, I’ve seen it said here that Bill Graham is going to hell for supping and praying with Glenn Beck and Mitt Romney. I’m just pointing out your own judging based on from what I know of the eternal destination of this behavior from Swedenborg... REPENT! The end is here. I have news - I meditated and studies the actual text of the White Horse Prophecy (see wikipedia - 1st reference document). I believe it is with merit.
`You might just as well say,’ added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, `that “I breathe when I sleep” is the same thing as “I sleep when I breathe”!’
Well, first of all allow me to commend you on giving a reminder that I've issued literally DOZENS of times over these past five years on FR...that we are not to operate based upon political or bodily fear...In fact, allow me to quote excerpts of what I've said those dozens of times:
Jesus says "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." (Luke 12:4-5)
So does Jesus say, "fear the Marxists/communists/socialists?" (No...I think you, Bill, and I agree on that)
Does Jesus say "fear Obama? -- Or Romney himself?" (No...I think you, Bill, and I agree on that)
But does He still say to exercise fear of the One who has authority to cast somebody into hell? (Yes...and this is where I believe we part perspectives here)
Allow me at this point to break from citing the "excerpt" -- and ask you, Bill:
Do you not, on behalf of those who are hell-bound, fear for them ???
When Jesus tells us plainly and directly that He is "show[ing] you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him" -- Do you not then properly respond with fear where Jesus is directly authorizing it???? (yes or no?)
And, so, to return to that except...
Isn't, then, our "fear" exercised on behalf of those who are placing their eternal spiritual lives at risk?
...we need our fellow brothers and sisters to love us and defend us and have fellowship with us. [billcompugeek]
Hmmm...'tis almost like that "dozens of times" 'excerpt' I keep referencing was written just for you...Because THE very next line reads:
As for "uniting" behind common causes (or fellowships with those who may or may NOT be our "brothers and sisters"), I could probably guess that the folks who the apostle Paul warned the church @ Ephesus about had the bulk in common with the sheep there.
How so?
Well, for example, both groups were "religious." So, let me ask you Bill: Did Paul play the "allies"-game-don't-divide-us-you're playing?
A resounding "NO!" Bill
As Paul was leaving the church of Ephesus, he warned them with this high-priority alert:
"I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." (Acts 20:29-31)
Paul's cultural priority? (Defend against the false disciples who will proselytize the flock and draw away men unto themselves, distorting the truth in the process!)
Joseph Smith was not condemned for always wanting to start a church as his life goal... [Billcompugeek]
Are ya telling us, Bill, that if God could teleport you back to Ephesus where Paul is giving his farewell talk to the church at Ephesus (Acts 20), and you heard him say: "I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears." -- would you mildly scold the apostle, and say "Ya know, Paul, these 'savage wolves' you reference are NOT to be condemned for always wanting to lead this church as their 'life goal...' ????
I mean is that the way you would redefine Acts 20 for us, Bill?
I mean, really, Bill...would you presume upon Paul like that?
And tell me something, Bill: If you did something tearfully night and day for three years, do you think it's rather important?
Or is it a "So what?" Are we simply to conclude, "Oh, the man who contributed a good chunk to the New Testament -- what did he know about assessing false shepherds, savage truth distorting wolves, or cultural priorities?"
Established orthodoxy... by YOU?? I'm anything but an Orthodox Christian. I believe in spiritual freedom.
It seems very ironic to me that murderous character assassination is used with Joseph Smith here for his 'shady' past but Paul who was then Saul was anything but good (as documented in Scripture). The Mormon Church was established to be dynamic in that writings can change. The New Church doesn't do that (just try to attack Swedenborg's life - LOL)
what was a doctrine for the first Church?
Swedenborg scribed the Heavenly Doctrines that unveil the internal meaning of His Word to lay the foundation of The New Jerusalem described in Revelation. I am a member of the Church established by those Writings.
Prove it.
You seen this, really?
Where name names......
No Davy mormonISM was established as anti-Christian.
The very foundation is anti-Christian.
As for JS shady past as you put it, all happened while he was establishing his anti-Christian group.
It was while he was the leader/ruler/overseer/dictator of mormonISM that he lied, stole, committed pedophilia, adultery, treason, scammed, destroyed personal property of those who spoke against him, burned down newspapers..........
The foundation of the Mormon Church lies with the New Church. I consider Mormons my closest spiritual family as the love the Lord and neighbor as I do.
Why do you deem that "ironic?" If Swedenborg's followers would actually read Paul's writings more, vs. shuffling them off as non-inspired, then you'd know that Paul referenced himself as "the chief of sinners."
Seems to me that being a sinner is exactly what qualifies us for being in Christ...(Ya know, Jesus saying that it's not the healthy well ones who have need of a "Physician")
In sharp contrast, Joseph Smith was preaching how they were on their way to godhood...more in line with what Isaiah indicates got Lucifer canned from heaven (see Isaiah 14:14-16)
Which do you think resonates more with God? Confession of being a chief sinner; and u-turn repentance that accompanies it? Or the pride, arrogance and hubris of telling God to "move over" 'cause the new gods are in heaventown, ready to receive prayer, worship, praise, glory etc. as competing rival gods?
We all know that Davy.......
It appears you/yours and mormoISM are all anti-Christian.
And it also appears that you must work for ‘salvation’, IE own path to god, and reject outright the Saving Grace of God Almighty.
How so very sad.
And yet Jesus is referred to as King of Kings and Lord of Lords - kinda messes up your eisengensis of those passages from John.
I have often talked with angels . .
And satan can appear as an angel of light . .
this guy is a loon.
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