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What Really Died at Auschwitz?
Unidentified Spanish newspaper | January 15 2011 | Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

Posted on 07/27/2012 11:04:33 AM PDT by betty boop

Here's an interesting viewpoint. The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15 2011. It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe — and possibly to the rest of the world.

"EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ"
By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

I walked down the street in Barcelona and suddenly discovered a terrible truth — Europe died in Auschwitz ... We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition. We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.

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A lot of Americans have become so insulated from reality that they imagine America can suffer defeat without any inconvenience to themselves. Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving in to it.

It is now more than sixty years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the six million Jews, twenty million Russians, ten million Christians, and nineteen-hundred Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated.' Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States? If our Judeo-Christian heritage is offensive to Muslims, they should pack up and move to Iran , Iraq or some other Muslim country.

...We must wake up America before it's too late.


TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: auschwitz; chat; holocaust; islamism; jihad; misc; vanity
I received this e-mail from a cousin, and thought it well-worth posting here.

On a related note, American Islamists are currently engaged in exploiting the gay-marriage issue in order to get legal recognition for polygamy (polygyny) in the United States, as part of their strategy to implement Sharia law here. Which would be tantamount to undermining the very foundations of American society and culture — that is, the traditional family and our constitutional rule of law.

This sort of thing ought to be strongly resisted: There is no force on earth today more anti-Liberty than the Islamist Jihad against the West. It is positively a Luciferian force....

JMHO FWIW

1 posted on 07/27/2012 11:04:39 AM PDT by betty boop
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To: Alamo-Girl; Uri’el-2012; hosepipe; YHAOS; marron; stpio; little jeremiah; metmom; xzins; ...

FYI


2 posted on 07/27/2012 11:10:17 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

It’s been posted here many times, and it cannot be posted too much.


3 posted on 07/27/2012 11:11:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: betty boop
And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims

It is fair to point out that the single group most active and influential in pushing this POV has been the Jews, using the Holocaust as a bludgeon to intimidate dissenters.

Which is more than a little ironic, if you think about it.

4 posted on 07/27/2012 11:13:09 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: dfwgator
Sorry — I hadn't seen it before, dfwgator.

Yet I certainly agree with you: "It cannot be posted too much."

Thank you kindly for writing!

5 posted on 07/27/2012 11:13:37 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

Actually, Europe died in the mud of the Great War ... Verdun, Somme, Paaschendale, etc.


6 posted on 07/27/2012 11:14:53 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Sherman Logan

This is Hitler’s legacy, forever making Culturalism a dirty word, and enhancing the belief among many that multicultural societies are the best guards against another Holocaust...a view that is very naive, IMHO.


7 posted on 07/27/2012 11:16:16 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: betty boop

Bfltr


8 posted on 07/27/2012 11:16:30 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: betty boop

BUMP


9 posted on 07/27/2012 11:19:49 AM PDT by kitkat
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To: betty boop

Thank you for posting that.
I had not seen it before.


10 posted on 07/27/2012 11:20:36 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Sherman Logan
It is fair to point out that the single group most active and influential in pushing this POV has been the Jews, using the Holocaust as a bludgeon to intimidate dissenters.

My sense is that genuinely orthodox Jews do not play into the typical ACLU POV.

It seems that today there are not a few Jews in this country who self-identify as Jews by culture, not by specifically religious confession/commitment.

There are times I wonder whether such folks may be "holocaust deniers," too: They seem to want to forget the lessons of their own history.... Or at least reluctant to learn anything from it, such that it will not be repeated.

Thanks for writing, Sherman Logan!

11 posted on 07/27/2012 11:24:39 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

We have not yet played Cowboys & Muslims yet.

We shall see how that comes out. Cowboys have better weapons now than six shooters.

Muzzies had best be careful for what they wish.


12 posted on 07/27/2012 11:27:49 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: dfwgator

This article was published in Libertad Digital, a great conservative Spanish Internet magazine with many articles in Spanish by Thomas Sowell and other great American writers.


13 posted on 07/27/2012 11:28:47 AM PDT by Dqban22
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To: dfwgator

This article was published in Libertad Digital, a great conservative Spanish Internet magazine with many articles in Spanish by Thomas Sowell and other great American writers.


14 posted on 07/27/2012 11:29:00 AM PDT by Dqban22
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To: betty boop

The considerable majority of Jews in America are not Orthodox. Most I believe are not particularly observant at all. They are “cultural” Jews.

Orthodox Jews have their own problems. Many of their attitudes towards the outside world and towards women, among other things, have more in common with Islam than with modern American society.

This is not entirely a bad thing, as modern American society has a good many serious problems.


15 posted on 07/27/2012 11:38:53 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I was thinking that too, at least in the US that has been the case.


16 posted on 07/27/2012 11:39:44 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: DuncanWaring

“Actually, Europe died in the mud of the Great War ... Verdun, Somme, Paaschendale, etc.”

True. Europe lost their desire to defend Western Civilization. They bled themselves white on those battlefields. Afterwards there was no desire to put themselves in a position where they may have to visit those horrors again, which gave Hitler an open avenue to institute the very thing Europe was trying to avoid.

Most people view WWII as the most important war, but in reality it was WWI. All else flowed from it even to this day.


17 posted on 07/27/2012 11:46:06 AM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: Sherman Logan
The considerable majority of Jews in America are not Orthodox. Most I believe are not particularly observant at all. They are “cultural” Jews.

And to me, the poster boy for non-observant "cultural Jews" is: David Axelrod, senior advisor to the President.

That dude is a "pure" atheist, plain and simple.

It seems to me truly observant Jews tend to cultural/political conservatism. Certainly that is the case with the followers of the Rebbe I have met.

The ones, like Axelrod — who for whatever reason despise God and His Law — are our worst nightmare....

18 posted on 07/27/2012 11:52:11 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: WILLIALAL

Sir Edward Gray, British Foreign Secretary at the time, is said to have remarked, literally on the eve of the German invasion of Belgium in 1914, “The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our time”.

He was right.


19 posted on 07/27/2012 12:18:45 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: betty boop

I am not sure it would be any different if the Holocaust had never happened.

Jews (at least in America) vote 80%+ for the most liberal, socialist, anti-gun, open the immigration flood gate democrat candidates that are out there.


20 posted on 07/27/2012 12:24:17 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: WILLIALAL
Most people view WWII as the most important war, but in reality it was WWI. All else flowed from it even to this day.

Absolutely right.

21 posted on 07/27/2012 1:16:16 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: dfwgator

Multi-culurism is a false agenda. Advocates of multi-culturism claim that no single culture should be held above another, but in reality, those advocates pick and choose which cultures to exalt and which to reject.

Multi-culturism is simply the reverse of Nazi Aryan Nation philosophy. Instead of exalting the White Germanic people, the multi-culturalists exalt a collage of various minority and special interest groups, above the White Western males and Israelites (Zionists).


22 posted on 07/27/2012 1:34:23 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

But because of Hitler, the Multi-Culturalists have a force field to put around themselves, if you disagree with them, they just call you a “Nazi.”


23 posted on 07/27/2012 1:37:15 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Sherman Logan
In the US, the use of the Holocaust as a bludgeon comes from those on the Left of Judaism. This fits with their larger purpose of redefining and reducing being Jewish to shared historical experience, tribal loyalties, and undemanding cultural practices and totems. Meanwhile, the difficult faith of Judaism is eclipsed and reduced to mere forms.

Yet without genuine belief and practice of Judaism, many Jews in the US are becoming a lost people, secularized, assimilated, and separated from the greatness of their past and their unique relationship with God. In Israel, Jews are divided into secular and religious camps and often at odds with each other in destructive ways.

Yet God provides for His people, with Israel recently discovering and now developing vast quantities of gas and oil that will soon make her a booming energy exporter. And even as the living memory of the Holocaust passes, its essential lessons remain: when enemies threaten to kill Jews, they must be taken seriously, and a vigorous armed response must be made when circumstances require.

On that basis, I am all for remembering the Holocaust. Liberal pablum that the Holocaust should teach us "tolerance" is dangerous nonsense. Above all, in addition to profound sadness, the Holocaust should teach us to have and to use all the force necessary to resist and defeat evil.

And against the view of the Holocaust promoted by Left-wing Jews, there is a potent club to counter their misuse of the Holocaust. This monstrous evil that arose in the heart of civilized Europe was ended only because, at great cost, a faithful, righteous Christian America fought and defeated the Nazis and liberated the camps.

Then America supported the creation of Israel and defeated the Soviet Union -- another enemy of the Jews and Israel. And today, the continued survival of Israel depends on resolute and effective American financial, diplomatic, and military support.

In short, if American Jews want to help Israel to survive and avoid the more comprehensive Holocaust plotted by Islamists, then, even when domestic political views that suggest otherwise, American Jews should support candidates, groups, and policies that to keep America strong, confident, and powerful against Islamism. And today, the strongest American supporters of Israel are conservative Republicans in general -- and Christian conservatives in particular.

Viewed in this light, the Holocaust offers a refutation to the Left, not an endorsement.

24 posted on 07/27/2012 1:42:45 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Oh, I quite agree.

It’s just that very few Jews agree with either of us.


25 posted on 07/27/2012 1:45:54 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: DuncanWaring

WWI is so interesting, as all of the elements of a maturing age came to a head. Old monarchies old regimes and modern weapons colliding on the European stage where so many battles had been fought before, only this time the old military tactics were no match for the progress made in weaponry such as machine guns and advanced artillery.
It took 4 years of slaughter before military thinking and technology advanced to a point where trench warfare could be breached.


26 posted on 07/27/2012 1:47:52 PM PDT by WILLIALAL
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To: betty boop

[ What Really Died at Auschwitz? ]

Answer.... German Honor and Pride...


27 posted on 07/27/2012 2:32:26 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Eva; betty boop
Multi-culturism is simply the reverse of Nazi Aryan Nation philosophy.

Political multiculturism is like judo. It appears to oppose racism and toxic nationalism but in the end it merely opposes Christianity and Judaism. Mark Steyn likes to say that it allows you to like all cultures without actually knowing anything about them... but in the end the common denominator is that they don't like Christians and they don't like Jews.

28 posted on 07/27/2012 3:04:44 PM PDT by marron
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To: betty boop
**What Really Died at Auschwitz?**

Unless you have personally visited Auschwitz, you have no idea about the answer to this question.

I cried.

Welcome back, freeper Salvation! (Vanity)

29 posted on 07/27/2012 5:18:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Sherman Logan
There are more conservative Jews than there may appear to be, their numbers are growing, if slowly, and the general climate of opinion among Jews is less and less liberal.

For example, the country's leading Jewish journal of opinion -- Commentary magazine -- is staunchly neoconservative. The Republican Jewish coalition is now a well-funded and well-organized PAC and advocacy group. And, most prominently among the growing number of major Jewish conservative donors, billionaire Sheldon Adelson donates massively to conservative GOP candidates and causes.

About a year ago, at a friend's request, I went to the house of an elderly Jewish woman and fixed her computer. Friendly and engaging, she soon started talking politics, making clear that she was very left-wing, even an admirer of the USSR! I chuckled and told her that I was much the other way, an anti-communist and a conservative Republican. She said that I would no doubt like her youngest granddaughter, who was also a conservative Republican. She sighed and said that she did not understand why Jews were becoming so conservative!

30 posted on 07/27/2012 5:46:13 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: betty boop

So very true. Thank you so much for posting this email, dearest sister in Christ!


31 posted on 07/27/2012 8:34:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: WILLIALAL

Truth. The more you investigate WWII history the more you realize how important WWI was.


32 posted on 07/28/2012 5:35:40 AM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: 2banana; Alamo-Girl
Jews (at least in America) vote 80%+ for the most liberal, socialist, anti-gun, open the immigration flood gate democrat candidates that are out there.

Yep. And that, to me, is a curious fact.

It's been suggested that American Jews will vote overwhelmingly for Obama this time out. But jeepers, why they would do anything that suicidal is beyond me. They must have a death wish....

Obama is an unreconstructed anti-semite; he has more sympathy/empathy for the Muslim Brotherhood than he has for the State of Israel. He is more concerned about the creation of a Palestinian state than the survival of the Jewish state. He insists on the Palestinians' "right of return" — which would drown Israel under a vast demographic tidal wave, extinguishing it forever as a Jewish state. He is enabling Iran to acquire nuclear weapons, knowing full well that those bombs would be targeted on Israel, not to mention our own American bases and forces on the ground in the Middle East.

You wondered whether anything would be different, had the Holocaust never happened. Good question. But it seems to me that (perhaps) many Jews lost their faith in God because of the Holocaust — they simply could not understand how a just and loving God could let that happen to them. Perhaps many became effectively atheist as a consequence.

Thanks so much for writing, 2banana!

33 posted on 07/28/2012 10:02:07 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: betty boop

Europe died in 1914.

The Auschwitz is one consequence of her death. Physical elimination of farmers and clergy in Russia is another. 20 million Muslim immigrant burning neighborhoods and building mosques is yet another.


34 posted on 07/28/2012 12:15:22 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: betty boop

I also am bewildered that any Jew - or Christian - would vote for Obama. He is the most anti-Israel, anti-Christianity, pro-Islam president known to me.


35 posted on 07/28/2012 8:25:32 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: DuncanWaring

Not really, with the end of World War one, many countries in Central europe were freed.


36 posted on 07/29/2012 9:27:53 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: DuncanWaring; WILLIALAL
well, WWI was inevitable right from 1793 when Poland was partitioned for the third time and wiped off the map. Prior to that, in fact prior to it's first partition (by the same partitioners: Russia, Prussia and Austria), it acted as a buffer state between the three

the Russians could continue fighting the Turks in the Caucus and the Iranis, while the Austrians fought the Turks in the Balkans

With this state gone, the conflicts between Russia and the others increased -- and needless to remind you, this was encouraged by the UK and France who fought alongside the Moslem Turks against Russia in the Crimean war

Also, in the Balkan war, Bulgaria had a chance to conquer constantinople and the Brits intervened

Finally, note that on the eve of World War I, the English were supplying two destroyers to the Ottomans which would have enabled the ottomans to stand up to Christian Russia

The roots of World War I and II also lie in the French Revolution -- or rather in Napoleon's destruction of the Holy Roman Empire: before Napoleon there were 300 different states, duchies, princelets, bishoprics, free cities etc. in "Germany" with no central push.

The Austrians put some kind of "control" which was a very loose confederation. The Prussians were trying to muscle in with their militaristic life, but were kept at bay.
What Napoleon did was to end this disunited Germany -- he reduced the states to just 26 and he failed to dismember Prussia. He set the seeds for a united Germany united under the military of Prussia instead of a Germany that was more philosophical and commercial. Tsar Alexander (who was more German than Russian in blood if not in thinking) acquiesced in this by liberating large sections of Germania from France and by destroying many of the kingdoms (like Saxony) and giving them to Prussia

AT the same time the French revolution created the idea of a nation-state where everyone in a state was the same in language, culture etc. --> prior to the French revolution only about 10% of France spoke French (or rather Parisian French), the rest spoke O'il langauges or Basque or Gascon or Brittany or Alsation etc. There was forced Francification -- and this pushed the English to destroy Cornish and aim to destroy Welsh, Gaelic etc. and the Germans to replace all of the various Germanic dialects with Standard German (while aiming to destroy Polish) and the Russians to implement forced Russification.

The only large Empires that did not do this were Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire -- they had too many different languages and cultures

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So these three strands dating from the late 1700s all tied in together: a lack of a buffer state between Muscowy and Germania, a united Germany under Prussia and nationalism. World War I was inevitable

37 posted on 07/29/2012 9:43:24 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: dfwgator; Eva; Sherman Logan

well, multi-culturalism worked prior to the 1800s in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and in Austria-hungary. In Austria-Hungary in fact, the ArchDuke Ferdinand (whose death was the excuse that caused the local war between A-H and Serbia and was the excuse for the world war between Germany and Russia) was a proponent of a “United States of Central Europe” which would have Germans, Hungarians, Poles, Serbs etc. having equal powers. The Austrians had done with with the Hungarians in the Dual monarchy and could have extended it further.


38 posted on 07/29/2012 9:46:07 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

I think as long as the Old Kingdoms stayed so stubbon and refused to change, it was going to be blown up one way or the other. There was so much tinder that any one of a thousand things would have provided the spark that caused the war.


39 posted on 07/29/2012 9:51:14 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Cronos
In Austria-Hungary in fact, the ArchDuke Ferdinand (whose death was the excuse that caused the local war between A-H and Serbia and was the excuse for the world war between Germany and Russia) was a proponent of a “United States of Central Europe” which would have Germans, Hungarians, Poles, Serbs etc. having equal powers.

Which was exactly why the Serbs wanted him dead. A US of CE with not overly dissatisfied minorities would have brought a screeching halt to the Serbian ambition of uniting all southern Slavs under their leadership.

Yugoslavia, of course, and we all know how well that turned out.

40 posted on 07/30/2012 4:28:58 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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I never put that together. you are correct.

A what-if scenario if ArchDuke Ferdinand HAD succeeded Franz-Jozef and implemented his reforms. The Hungarians didn't like it as they lost control over the minorities in their half.

Ferdinand was also against the alliance with the Prussians -- seeing them as a threat.

The Austrian partitioned area was the best place for Poles to be in terms of their culture not being threatened. Of course it was the poorest part -- the kingdom of Galicia and Lodomierza (Królestwo Goło i głodny :) --> but this was the place where Polish culture flourished.

The recreation of a smaller Kingdom of Poland within the USCE would have instantly made the Poles on Austria's side. This would have caused a war between Russia and Austria but Germany would not intervene.

41 posted on 08/02/2012 4:39:04 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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