Posted on 07/26/2012 11:34:14 AM PDT by Teófilo
I don’t mind your comments, but don’t get your panties in a bunch and tell me not to interact when it was you that chose to interact.
There are more descendents of Jacob that recognize Christ as messiah than don’t. You are heavily out-numbered!
Not accepting messiah is your choice, but so are the consequences!
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I believe messiahtruth / virtualyeshiva.com is no longer operating.
There is still
which is a discussion forum.
>> “The messiah will be fully human and in no way divine.” <<
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Too late, he’s already very devine!
>> “And what are ELS messages?” <<
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Equidistant Letter Sequences, as discovered by Drosnan.
That’s what I was talking about.
I made a boo-boo.
Jews do not believe the messiah is divine.
What consequences? Burning in an eternal hell-fire?
We Jews do not believe in hell,either,nor do we believe in an eternal punishment.
[ What I’m hearing you say is that is NO WORD of G-d. ]
True.. thats what I’m saying (more or less)...
Depending on what you mean by “word of God”..
Jeremiah words are Jeremiahs words.. interpreted by Jeremiah.. as perceived by Jeremiah..
Thats why the lore is called Jeremiah..
Same with Mattehew, Mark, John and Luke and also Paul..
So then; is the bible sacrosanct?... I say no..
My experience is God does not speak in words..
Jesus told John(baptist) “what am I doing” not “what am I saying”..
Same with us the lesson is pregnant..
What you do and do not do preaches far louder than what you say..
Basically quite literally everyone is a preacher...
Preaching a message by what they do.. and do not do...
When did I say that you cannot interact?
You can believe what you want.
So what if I’m “heavily outnumbered”?
It does not change what we Jews believe.
Thanks for the ping!
So what is the Jewish view/explanation of the Holy Spirit? How does it differ from the Christian view? I’m not trying to change the subject but I am curious about this.
I have no problem with that.
However, I assume you are aware Christians believe Jesus to be the Word of God and that you do indeed reject Him as such.
There are, of course, three logical possibilities for settling this contretemps.
Christians are right and Jews are wrong.
Jews are right and Christians are wrong.
Both Jews and Christians are wrong.
What is not a logical possibility is that both Christians and Jews are right. Christ cannot both be and not be the Messiah and Savior of the whole world.
I hope you realize I meant no insult. I was trying to define positions. Jews have every right to believe as they do, and so do I. While I am not offended by Jewish beliefs that Jesus is not the Son of God, a good many Jews do appear to be offended by my belief that faith in Him in necessary to salvation.
I do not understand why this is so. Presumably in the next life (if any) we will find out which of us (or both) was wrong.
‘You’ are a small and shrinking ‘we’
If one shares religious beliefs with a billion others, one should re-examine his theology.
Deuteronomy 7
6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
7 The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples.
Didn’t you receive from the Religion Moderator to not make it personal?
We are only offended when Christians try to convert us and tell us that we are damned to hell without Jesus.
jjotto wrote:
“If one shares religious beliefs with a billion others, one should re-examine his theology.
Deuteronomy 7
6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
7 The Lord did not set his affection on you and choose you because you were more numerous than other peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples.”
You are joking, right? If not, this is exegesis turned on its head and then its head buried in the ground. Do Genesis 15:5 and the dozens of similar verses to be found throughout the rest of the Old Testament from then on count for nothing?
Maybe you should re-examine your theology.
Didn’t you receive the message from the Religion Moderator to not make it personal?
But why does that offend you?
I'm not offended by the Muslim who believes exactly the same of me, at least as long as he isn't trying to cut my head off. I'm not offended by the atheist who tells me my belief system is no different from belief in a Great Flying Spaghetti Monster. Amused, and sometimes perhaps slightly annoyed, but not offended.
Why are you offended by the belief system of someone who you believe is wrong, and whose belief has absolutely no effect on you or your life?
I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm really curious why so many Jews seem to be offended by this stuff.
You honestly don’t understand why this offends us?
Christianity claims to be the ONLY way to G-d and that everyone else is damned to an eternal hell.
Since when is Christianity the only “true” religion?
Since Jesus bluntly stated, "No man comes to the Father except through me."
This was either true or false. If it was false, then Christianity is based on a lie and is a false religion.
If it was true, then Christianity by definition is the only true religion. Nobody CAN come to the Father except through him. This means that for you to cease being offended, I would have to stop being a Christian.
IMHO the easy way so popular in today's world, that Christianity is one of many paths to God, is by definition profoundly unchristian. I am very sorry you and others are offended because I believe Jesus to be the Savior.
Are you equally offended by those who believe submission to Allah is the only way to salvation, that Christians are idolators and that Jews are the descendants of monkeys and pigs?
Also, why do you care what others believe about your fate after death? They're either right, in which case you are screwed, or they're wrong. In neither case does their belief, in and of itself, make the slightest difference to your life. So why expend the energy necessary to feel offence?
I am not offended by your disbelief in Christ, so why are you offended by my belief?
I ask these questions in the greatest sincerity. I believe many non or ex-Christians believe they should be offended by the "exclusive" nature of Christian belief, without ever giving much thought to why.
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