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Does anyone dress or show up for Church on time any more? (Vanity)
NoKoolAidForMe | 07-23-12 | NoKoolAidForMe

Posted on 07/23/2012 12:09:39 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe

Yesterday at mass, a man came in with two girls (both of an age where each could stand and speak on their own.) ten minues after the liturgy began.

He stood along the side aisle wearing shorts, an advertisement tee shirt, and sneakers and leaned one foot against the wall of the church while standing. There were seats available.

When we stood for the gospel, he then decided to sit down. He did not pray with the girls nor follow along with the missal. He held one girl up for the entire mass, talking throughout with her feet on the top of the pew in front of him, even through the announcment that asked parishioners to show up on time and dress appropriately for mass and set a good example for our children. He bounced her up and down, kissing her repeatedly throughout the entire liturgy.

I write this diatribe because I am not sure if I am being unreasonable in expecting people to show up on time for mass, dress in attire that does not look like you are going to play baseball in the park, and behave in a respectful manner (you know, don't talk in church.)

Whatever happened to manners? Does anyone else notice this?


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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Praise the Lord the kids were inside the walls of your church!
Yes the entire citizenry of America has “dressed-down”, it has alot to do with the occupants of the White House, remember when the Reagans were in office-we used china and crystal, NOW we use red solo cups and paper plates!

We need someone with class in the White House. AND someone that attends a church!


51 posted on 07/23/2012 1:14:27 PM PDT by conservativesister
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To: stars & stripes forever

LOL, When I was a kid in Mn we had to get to church early to get a good seat in back.


52 posted on 07/23/2012 1:16:13 PM PDT by DManA
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Evidence of our evolution into a class-less society. What you get when dumb-down and drug-down, but oh, how cool we are.


53 posted on 07/23/2012 1:17:40 PM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

We have a family that shows up exactly 15 minutes late every Sunday, but they show up every Sunday. We have teenage girls in the congregation that dress like they go straight to a street corner after church (or they are just coming in from a busy Saturday night). We have a few people that show up in shorts and t-shirts.

The human that I am is appalled and disgusted at their lack of respect. But the Holy Spirit reminds me that God puts us in this world naked and bloody and he usually takes us out the same way. So, I try not to worry too much about their clothing in church.


54 posted on 07/23/2012 1:19:02 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: conservativesister
Yes the entire citizenry of America has “dressed-down”, it has alot to do with the occupants of the White House, remember when the Reagans were in office-we used china and crystal, NOW we use red solo cups and paper plates!

The dress down trend started way before obumummer was in office....we have been moving to a casual society for decades.

No matter who get's in it will not go back to the days of old.

55 posted on 07/23/2012 1:23:16 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Screaming kids and loud distracting talking are different from attire. Apples/Oranges.

We have a couple with a toddler and a newborn starting to attend our church regularly. They were rescued by our pastor (and a brother in Christ from a different church), from a homeless encampment locally called the “jungle”. Just this week a homeless man was stabbed in the neck and stomach and robbed while sleeping in his tent in the “jungle”. Should I ask them to leave, since last week the father had on old holy jeans? Their toddler runs all over the church expressing “Joie de vivre”. Should we send him back to running around amongst the trash, hundreds of propane cylinders, beer cans & bottles, needles, and unsavory characters? Should we reject the mother and her newborn baby because doesn't have proper “church” clothes?

Maybe she should have had the baby in the squalor of the “jungle”, where she belongs, until she could meet the church dress code.

The lyrics of a Casting Crowns song comes to mind....

It's crowded in a worship today
As she slips in
Trying to fade into the faces
The girls’ teasing laughter is carrying farther than they know
Farther than they know

But if we are the body
Why aren't His arms reaching?
Why aren't His hands healing?
Why aren't His words teaching?

And if we are the body
Why aren't His feet going?
Why is His love not showing them
There is a way? There is a way?

A traveler is far away from home
He sheds his coat
And quietly sinks into the back row
The weight of their judgmental glances tell him that his chances
Are better out on the road

But if we are the body
Why aren't His arms reaching?
Why aren't His hands healing?
Why aren't His words teaching?
And if we are the body
Why aren't His feet going
Why is His love not showing them
There is a way?

But Jesus paid much too high a price
For us to pick and choose who should come
And we are the body of Christ

But if we are the body
Why aren't His arms reaching?
Why aren't His hands healing?
Why aren't His words teaching?

And if we are the body
Why aren't His feet going?
Why is His love not showing them
There is a way?

If we are the body
Why aren't His arms reaching?
Why aren't His hands healing?
Why aren't His words teaching?

And if we are the body
Why aren't His feet going?
Why is His love not showing them
There is a way? As Jesus is the way

56 posted on 07/23/2012 1:23:42 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: chris37
I tell ya, one of the reasons I do not go to church is because it’s full of people who are utterly incapable of minding their own business.

Agreed.

I left the four-walled church about five years ago for the simple reason that "love" had been replaced by "conventions" and "rules."

The funny thing is that I was part of the leadership when I came to this realization. I actually apologized to a number of people on my way out for the errors in my thinking.

I credit Eugene Peterson for helping me to see this more clearly when I read "Christ Plays in Ten Thousand Places," which I highly recommend.

57 posted on 07/23/2012 1:24:56 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (When you accept the invite into the scorpion’s home don’t bother looking for the exit.)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in filthy clothes, and you pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, “You sit here in a good place,” and say to the poor man, “You stand there,” or, “Sit here at my footstool,” have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?


58 posted on 07/23/2012 1:25:12 PM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: DManA
...we had to get to church early to get a good seat in back.

My sister told me to "sit in the front row" at school. I did, and I'd never want to sit in the back row. There is an unobstructed view in the front, plus I can hear better. I have also noticed there is a tendency for people who are 6'2" and taller and those who have BIG hair to do the same thing.

59 posted on 07/23/2012 1:25:12 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
My parish priest is from Malta, and is old school.

During Mass this Sunday a young teenage girl came up to receive is less than appropriate dress. I happen to sit in the second row so heard him comment to her.

He told her,"You would dress like this to receive our Lord?"

He says the same to those men who are dress in shorts. Once the father of one of the girls,who came up with the gifts was dressed looking like a hooker, literally came after him after mass

We have a few who come late and that he seems to address the issue on a one to one basis.

The thing that really ticks him off is when parishioners leave immediately after receiving and do not wait until the final blessing. He usually comments as they are leaving,"you can not stay for a few more minutes in respect for our Lord.

60 posted on 07/23/2012 1:29:09 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: stars & stripes forever

In the old days every church in Mn filled up from the back. The last seats taken were always in the front row.

Just the culture.


61 posted on 07/23/2012 1:29:39 PM PDT by DManA
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To: justice14

I have no problem with tees and jeans, though I don’t wear them to church myself. The problem is with the selfishness of people who feel free to distract others from their worship with noise, display of bad behavior, or display of skin. People who object to having their treasured worship time ruined with preventable noise don’t necessarily have anything wrong with their hearts.


62 posted on 07/23/2012 1:29:54 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Robwin

Yes, men can be slobs, but the womens dress like hos to get the mens to look at them. I do enjoy looking, but it isn’t very appropriate.


63 posted on 07/23/2012 1:32:23 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: Ditter
Same here (except for being late--I HATE being late). I'm pretty sure God is far more interested in our hearts and minds than our attire (within reason, obviously). This whole topic is an excuse for angry old people to curse about "those damn kids."


64 posted on 07/23/2012 1:32:43 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Dress up AND show up on time? That is asking for too much in this day and age. :P


65 posted on 07/23/2012 1:33:59 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Be sure your church follows up with the family so they will feel welcome next Sunday.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Matthew 25:35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.


66 posted on 07/23/2012 1:35:17 PM PDT by Maudeen (Proverbs 3:5-6)
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To: winkadink

There is always a tension between wanting your kids to be in church, and not wanting to disrupt the rest of the congregation. I was in church once, and we had a retired bishop preaching, and a kid started to bawl, and the parent started to leave with him, and the bishop bellowed “Do Not Remove That Child!!!” His position was the kid was part of the group and had a right, a NEED to be there and that was more important than grownups having to deal with a little bit of ruckus.


67 posted on 07/23/2012 1:36:21 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: trailhkr1

You are exactly right I didn’t say the “current” occupants!


68 posted on 07/23/2012 1:43:34 PM PDT by conservativesister
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
Good afternoon.

In some extremely hot climates, the bishop will give special dispensation to wear shorts, sandals and t-shirts.

I'm an usher (in FL) and must wear suit or sport coat and tie.

5.56mm

69 posted on 07/23/2012 1:44:18 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

I detest people who are late, whether for church or anything else. It’s a sign of disrespect of others. It always seems to be the same people. They don’t seem to know or care that they are disrupting people.

I do think people should dress appropriately for where they are going, but I would prefer they actually get there on time.

I was a single parent to two boys for years, and we always managed to arrive on time, appropriately dressed. My sister never could manage it and actually took pride in it.


70 posted on 07/23/2012 1:45:29 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: justice14
“....but if it is just shorts or t-shirt or jeans. Nothing revealing, nothing over the top, then maybe it’s the heart of those who are having a problem with it, that need improvement.”

Exactly correct!

For those who want to wear suits and or skirts (females & Scotts only), WONDERFUL for YOU. If you “think” this is showing repect to God, great! I would never say you shouldn't, or it was silly. If this is your way of showing respect, the Lord will decide if it pleases Him or not.

The problem comes when you try to impose these views on others, as if YOU know what kind of clothes GOD approves of. God doesn't like “shorts”? How would you know this?

Romans 14 is not just about “FOOD”. It is a metaphor for so much more. Read the entire chapter.

Romans 14

New International Version (NIV)

The Weak and the Strong

14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:

“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]

12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.

13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.

22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

71 posted on 07/23/2012 1:46:06 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Maudeen
...some have entertained angels unawares

A few years ago we had a multi-garage sale at our home. Several customers were bartering the prices on the items. A woman zeroed in on my red sweater (a favorite) and asked if she could have it for 50c. Although I had gotten my use out of it, I found myself not budging on the price and after she left, I noticed there was a huge spot on the front that I don't remember seeing before.

I always thought she may have been an angel and learned a lesson about giving that day.

72 posted on 07/23/2012 1:47:18 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: trailhkr1

“...a young 20 something woman came in wearing a very thin , bright yellow dress...so thin you could see her white thong underneath crystal clear..yes, that is all she wore underneath..”

At such moments I close my eyes and pray, “Lord, I thank Thee for granting Thy humble servant this heavenly vision of some of the beautiful things which Thou hast made!”

(Just kidding!!)

I support modesty & appropriate dress in church for both sexes. It is the house of the Lord, after all. That was an old Lewis Grizzard line about a strip club locating next to a church.


73 posted on 07/23/2012 1:49:55 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Come as you are, and better late than never.

Its better he and his girls be there than stay home.

More irritating is people leaving early or during the call for people who want to come to Christ, or join the church. Our Pastor makes an announcement everytime during that call that “no one leaves, no one stirs “. It is almost always perfectly still and perfectly silent during that time.

SnakeDoc


74 posted on 07/23/2012 1:50:00 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: chris37
I tell ya, one of the reasons I do not go to church is because it’s full of people who are utterly incapable of minding their own business.

Came here to retort almost the exact same thing; ya beat me to it. I'm COMPLETELY tired of the holier than thous at church and within religion in general these days; like you sat, they need to mind their own business.

75 posted on 07/23/2012 1:50:08 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: ottbmare
People who object to having their treasured worship time ruined with preventable noise don’t necessarily have anything wrong with their hearts.

Nor do people who do such things. They might be new believers that are young in their faith and need guidance. Also, I wasn't talking about 'preventable noises', I was referring to normal everday attire.

76 posted on 07/23/2012 1:51:33 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: stars & stripes forever
I found myself not budging on the price and after she left, I noticed there was a huge spot on the front that I don't remember seeing before.

I always thought she may have been an angel and learned a lesson about giving that day.

Or she spit or smudged it out of spite.

77 posted on 07/23/2012 1:51:40 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
I wear shorts and a t shirt to church nearly year round, however I am always there an hour before the service begins.

But that's because I'm the worship leader.

78 posted on 07/23/2012 1:52:35 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: faucetman

Excellent post. Thank you for posting. Basically, God knows all and knows why you are dressing whichever way you choose. If it pleases him, then so be it. If it doesn’t, then that’s between you and God.


79 posted on 07/23/2012 1:52:45 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

This is a good question and a good vanity finally after (and during) so many bad ones on the subject of Aurora, CO, so thank you.

What I have to add is that last week a Northeastern singer-songwriter, an undeservedly obscure one, asked a similar, and to me quite shocking having seen what I’ve seen, question on his Fakebook page or in e-mail, I don’t remember any more. He asked if people thought it was fine and dandy to appear on stage wearing shorts (his idea that it wasn’t.)


80 posted on 07/23/2012 1:53:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: MosesKnows

Yeah but would they go to their boss’s party dressed in daisy dukes or the like…..I doubt it!


81 posted on 07/23/2012 1:53:45 PM PDT by notaliberal
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To: Adams
Thankfully, in our church (Greek Orthodox, in Southern California), people show up mostly on time and dress appropriately, with the exception of some of the teenage girls

Yes, our small Latin Rite/Tridentine Mass is about like that. The men don't generally wear suits here, unlike SSPX, but dress respectfully. The women mostly wear dresses and also veils (which are provided in the vestibule). It has been a couple years since we had the "teenage girl" problem -- the ones who attend now dress VERY respectfully -- but for a while there a couple of young ladies who happen to be Hispanic were showing way too much. Have since learned that is not at all uncommon at the Hispanic-oriented Vatican II Masses around here. Not sure why they choose to be immodest. The Blessed Virgin Mary has made a point of modesty during more than one approved apparition and I can't imagine that Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe was any different.

82 posted on 07/23/2012 1:55:12 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: trailhkr1
Or she spit or smudged it out of spite.

I never thought of that. She may have been a devil in disguise.

83 posted on 07/23/2012 1:55:37 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: Manic_Episode

There’s no Real Presence at your worship service so who cares.


84 posted on 07/23/2012 1:59:41 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
I go to church in shorts, sandals and a collared button down casual shirt

I sometimes remember to brush my teeth...too

God cares about your heart, not my clothes

85 posted on 07/23/2012 2:00:49 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: tx_eggman

Thank you for posting that! I used that exact bible verse at a Bible study at my work when one of the ladies mentioned that you can only come to her church if men were dressed in suits and women in dresses.

I also asked how did that fit with Jesus touching the “unclean woman” and that it sounded to me that her church was imposing man’s law ahead of God’s much in the same way the Pharisees did. I also thanked her for telling which church she went to so I could avoid it in the future. Her husband got it but she just turned up her nose...

My pastor, who led to to accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, always dressed casually so no one would feel uncomfortable and the sign on the door, “Come as you are” truly meant that. We had a few millionaries in our church as well but no one was ever expected to put on airs to attend.


86 posted on 07/23/2012 2:03:16 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: justice14
I hear what you say, but as my parish priest has said many times,"I love you all dearly, but I am not going to hell for you."

It is his responsibility, and he takes it seriously, that he will be called to account as the head of his flock. He can not turn a blind eye toward those transgressions.

Recall this Sundays reading where God tells his shepherd that they will be held accountable for their flock if he does not lead them righteously.

87 posted on 07/23/2012 2:04:31 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Jesus probably didn’t wear wingtips. He probably wore sandals. Maybe he was even barefoot at times.

While it might be nice if everyone dressed up, I am happy that they take the time to attend.

Also, consider that with some of the better-dressed parishioners, there is a competition for who has the nicest dress, most expensive jewelry, etc. Is that what we should focus on? Neither extreme is desirable.

I say, encourage people to come regardless of outward appearance.

When my kids were little, getting them and myself ready was a LOT of work. Sometimes they were very well-dressed. Other times just getting there was an achievement.


88 posted on 07/23/2012 2:11:12 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: faucetman

Reminds me of an old Johnny Paycheck song called “The Outlaw’s Prayer”

You know, I worked the Big Packet show in Fort Worth, Saturday night,
We had all day Sunday to rest and relax, before I caught another flight,
So I decided to walk down town an’ get myself a little fresh air.
Before long, I found myself in front of a big church on the corner of the square.

Boy, I could hear that singin’ way out in the street, sure was a beautiful sound.
So I just walked up the steps an’ opened the door an’ started to go inside an’ sit down.
But before I could, a young man walked over to me an said: “Excuse me, Sir”,
“But I can’t let you in with that big black hat, those jeans, that beard an’ long hair.

So I just left, went back outside, sat down on that curb, and I thought to myself:
That’s the house of the Lord. That guy’s got the hell of a nerve.
Tellin’ me I can’t worship anywhere I please.
So right there, in front of that church, I just knelt down on my knees.

I said: “Lord, I know I don’t look like much, but I didn’t think you’d mind.
“I just wanted to be with Your people, Lord: it’s been a long time.
A while ago, a saw a wino over there in the alley, all bent over in tears,
An’ I thought how one stained glass window, from this church, would feed his family for years.

Then there’s those fine cars parked outside: too many for me to count.
Made me think how people walked for days to hear your sermon on the Mount.
Then there’s those fine ladies in the choir, Lord, singin’ like they really love it.
Hell, last night, they were dancin’ on the front row of my show, drinking beer and screamin” “Shove it!”

You know, even John the Baptist wouldn’t be welcome in this place,
With his coat made of camel hair an’ sandals on his feet,
You know, Lord, when you come back to get your children, an take em’ beyond the clouds.
To live forever in heaven with you: well, I’d sure hate to be in this crowd.

You know, Lord, I’m not perfect; some even call me no count.
But I’ll tell you: I believe a man is judged by what’s in his heart, not what’s in his bank account.
So if this is what religion is: a big car, a suit an’ a tie,
Then I might as well forget it Lord, ‘cause I can’t qualify.

Oh by the way, Lord, right before they kicked me out, didn’t I see a picture of You?
With sandals an’ a bear, Believe You had long hair, too.
Well, this is Paycheck, signing off.
I’ll be seeing you, Lord... I hope.

***This event actually did happen to Paycheck. Thus, the song was written....


89 posted on 07/23/2012 2:11:53 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: Popman

Would you go to your boss’s party with all the executives of your company in attendance in shorts—I bet you wouldn’t.


90 posted on 07/23/2012 2:14:34 PM PDT by notaliberal
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To: DManA

Possibly. I went to a church were there was no Sunday school and the children were expected to actually sit still for at least 45 minutes a time no matter what age without the aid of toys or coloring books. Developed our vocabulary in no time flat and gave us an advantage at school academically. (See the movie “Goodbye Mr. Chips”)


91 posted on 07/23/2012 2:18:29 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

You know what, it may be that they don’t know HOW to be undistracted. It’s a huge problem. I’ve worked very, very hard to try to learn to avoid distraction. Multitasking was being CELEBRATED for a while, but I think people mostly have realized what a bill of goods that was.


92 posted on 07/23/2012 2:19:41 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: mware

Exactly. Christians need to stick to sound doctorine. The Bible is our guidance to what is right and what is wrong. To deviate from it is a major major problem.


93 posted on 07/23/2012 2:23:05 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

You are correct to the point where if a family comes in to my Church nicely attired (women in dresses, men in pressed slacks, leather shoes, ironed shirts, perhaps even ties and coats) they stand out merely by being so out of the norm.

Our Pastor has frequently commented that he notices young women at every Mass attired in ways that would draw an “R” rating at the beach.

I am in Pittsburgh where we have developed the very bad habit of wearing Steelers sports paraphernalia absolutely everywhere we go. I have been at Masses, funerals, elegant restaurants, and symphony concerts at Heinz Hall where over half the attendees were wearing Steeler sweats and t-shirts.


94 posted on 07/23/2012 2:23:11 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Our church out here in New Mexico meets in a school and is pretty casual. Even so, we had our youth pastor filling in for our regular pastor. He wore a t-shirt (yikes) that had an alcohol related logo (double-yikes) and did not understand my consternation.

After explaining the concepts of respect and appropriateness, I eventually got through to him by explaining that clothing worn by ANYONE in church that is a distraction to the message and worship is doing Satan’s work by coming between the messenger of God and those who are to receive His word. That gave him pause.


95 posted on 07/23/2012 2:26:00 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: NoKoolAidforMe
ten minues after the liturgy began.

At least your church has a liturgy. Mine doesn't.

In too many churches, by the time the 'passing of the peace' is done and the worship team has finished its warmup riffs and licks in preparation for the weekly 'Rock Me, Jesus' moment featuring that inspiring solo rendition of 'I Wanna Fog Up The Windows Of My Car By Jumping In The Back Seat With God', what you've got is a vapid, seeker-centered experience that is more an exercise in marketing than in worship.

But I'm afraid we'll have to get used to it, since the powers that be have decided that 'religion' is now a dirty word.

96 posted on 07/23/2012 2:27:31 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: justice14

I have a feeling that people who come into the church and are comfortable enough there to be NECKING during the service aren’t “new believers.” People who have had kids in the church and let them run around screaming are not new. This thread started with a poster complaining about a man who let one of his kids stand with her feet on the back of the pew and talked through the whole service. That’s not a new believer who needs gentle instruction; anybody knows you don’t talk during important moments, much less during an entire service. No, the guy is a jerk.

Justice. Come on. You’re just arguing. I’m not talking about folks who go to church in jeans; you know that. I’m talking about people raised in the church who are running around with half their boobs hanging out, or people who, all theology aside, are being slobs in their behavior and exhibitionistic in their dress. Yeah, I think there’s something wrong with their attitude, because you don’t have to be an old hand at faith to know this is not okay anywhere. That’s not theology and there is no house of worship where this is OK.


97 posted on 07/23/2012 2:28:07 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: faucetman

When Jed and his family had guess they would show respect for them by putting on their good clothes. Some would call to these go to meeting clothes. For many today it seems going to the store to get hotdogs and going to church as no different. Everybody here in the photo is wearing what they feel is appropriate for guess. I understand that some can't afford fancy clothes. I also can see stopping at a church while traveling not being dressed up. If a smell homeless person comes into a church they should be made to feel welcome. But for many it just lazy and lack of respect.

98 posted on 07/23/2012 2:35:40 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Usually I attend St. Mattress by the Springs or St. Andrews by the Green, but when I do go to church, it only seems appropriate to dress accordingly. You wouldn’t go to a job interview or visit a dignitary looking sloppy, why would you go to God’s house that way.


99 posted on 07/23/2012 2:36:58 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: ottbmare

I initially only mentioned clothes. I didn’t mention behavior. And then I said that I wasn’t even talking about preventable behavior. All those things you described are perfect examples of something that should be addressed. I’m not arguing with that. All I mentioned was someone wearing a different style dress (not provactative) should not be looked down upon. That was in response to the title of the thread.

But again. I agree 100% with you. I was referring to dress.


100 posted on 07/23/2012 2:42:33 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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