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Controversial cover questions LDS business practices [Mag cover image provokes Mormons]
Fox13 (Salt Lake City) ^ | July 13-14, 2012 | Brittany Green-Miner and Max Roth

Posted on 07/14/2012 9:53:56 AM PDT by Colofornian

SALT LAKE CITY – The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is under national scrutiny again, this time from Businessweek, whose cover story this week investigates “How the Mormons Make Money.”

The article suggests that the LDS church doesn’t contribute many resources to charity and that they leverage volunteer hours for profit. Images that accompany the article are causing as much controversy, if not more, as the article’s words.

[READ: How the Mormons Make Money on Businessweek.com]

The periodical’s cover has an image of John the Baptist with hands on LDS founder Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdry with a voice bubble saying, “…And thou shalt build a shopping mall, own stock in Burger King, and open a Polynesian theme park in Hawaii that shall be largely exempt from the frustrations of tax…”

SNIP

The story describes the church’s $2 million investment in the recently-opened City Creek Center. Jason Mathis with the Downtown Alliance says that the investment didn’t come from tithes of the LDS faithful.

SNIP

FOX 13 couldn’t find an example of another mainstream religion that is as invested in business as the LDS church.

(Excerpt) Read more at fox13now.com ...


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From the article: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is under national scrutiny again, this time from Businessweek, whose cover story this week investigates “How the Mormons Make Money.” The article suggests that the LDS church doesn’t contribute many resources to charity and that they leverage volunteer hours for profit.

The Businessweek article and mag cover is starting to make a LOT of headlines...[Sample]:

* 'How the Mormons Make Money': Cite: "It’s perhaps unsurprising that Mormonism, an indigenous American religion, would also adopt the country’s secular faith in money. What is remarkable is how varied the church’s business interests are—and, at a time when a former Mormon bishop is about to receive the Republican Party’s presidential nomination, that so little is known about the church’s financial interests. Despite a recent public-relations campaign aimed at combating the perception that it is “secretive,” the LDS Church remains tight-lipped about its holdings and offers little financial transparency, even to its members, who are required to tithe 10 percent of their income to gain access to Mormon temples."

* Magazine cover angers Mormons Citation: "Bloomberg Businessweek’s cover illustration for a story about LDS Church finances is setting off Mormons even before it hits newsstands Friday. The illustration, playing off an iconic LDS image, depicts John the Baptist — with his hands on the heads of Mormon founder Joseph Smith and his assistant, Oliver Cowdery — saying, "And thou shalt build a shopping mall, own stock in Burger King and open a Polynesian theme park in Hawaii that shall be largely exempt from the frustrations of tax ... " Another bubble quote has Smith responding, "Hallelujah."

* Business magazine probes Mormon church's finances

From the Fox article: FOX 13 couldn’t find an example of another mainstream religion that is as invested in business as the LDS church.

1 posted on 07/14/2012 9:54:10 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

None of their damn business. Or anyone else! Communists will lie, distort, and rape America. Another communists effort.


2 posted on 07/14/2012 10:03:03 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: All
Hey, if Romney's elected, and ran the govt like the way the Mormon general authorities run the church, I'm sure he could eventually put this country into the black (with enough Mormon POTUSES at the helm, that is).

1. "Hire" only "volunteers" for government positions, including all educators and admins. Wages? (No) Health benefits? (No) Pensions? (No)

2. Get the government to start building -- and controlling -- shopping malls. (That'll put construction workers back to work)

3. Invest in Australian properties that will garner an annual return of $276 million (like the Lds church does!)

4. Build multi-cultural centers all over the states and islands tied to the U.S. Charge $50 a head -- and $229 per "VIP" ticket. Have "volunteers" as your labor force, but pay the cultural center head $300,000 to ensure he can garner the proper "volunteer" force to do the real work!

5. Make sure Romney's Cabinet members become board members for umpteen hundred corporations -- each!!! (Just as the General Authorities are for the Mormon church!!!) This way, we know they have "pulse" on Corporate America!

3 posted on 07/14/2012 10:03:26 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Logical me

Agreed.

The religion is a bit out there for me, but I admire business acumen.


4 posted on 07/14/2012 10:08:23 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Logical me; All
None of their damn business. Or anyone else! Communists will lie, distort, and rape America. Another communists effort.

Romney's religious track-record re: Communism...see the last column to the right below...and then realize that Romney says he is "faithful" to the faith of his forefathers in the faith!

GOV. Romney Mormon 'scripture' & History Sources Quotes
ObamaCare based upon RomneyCare [SoConPubbie has posted some threads the week of April 16, 2012 along these lines]. In addition, what about Romney's $50 taxpayer-subsidized abortions -- and some $0 abortions -- he permanently imposed a Planned Parenthood rep into supervision of RomneyCare? (Since he vetoed other portions of that legislation, the Planned Parenthood rep section was also something he could have vetoed). For all of the pro-abortion damage done by Romney in the Bay State, see: RomneyCare Now Funding FREE Abortions: A Disqualifier for Mitt Romney’s Candidacy [Enabler Mitt] Mitt's Mormonism embraced socialism/communism under the 'United Order' – sacred commands still on the Mormon “scriptures” – depicted to be “everlasting” commandments of the Mormon god The Mormon socialistic/communistic “everlasting” nature of the “United Order” depicted in Lds “scriptures” – Doctrine & Covenants 82:18-19 and 104:1, 48, 53. Even Lds author George Givens described Brigham Young’s communist-built community of Orderville, Utah as “pure communism”: "When Brigham Young established Orderville and similar United Orders, John Taylor was less than enthusiastic. He realized that enterprises such as Orderville were pure communism and not the law of consecration. He made this plain after he became President, when in 1882 he sent an epistle to all authorities of the Church in which he bluntly stated: 'We had no example of the 'United Order' in accordance with the word of God on the subject...Our relations with the world and our own imperfections prevent the establishment of this system [i.e. the system of consecration and stewardship spoken of at times as the 'United Order'] at the present time, as was stated by Joseph in an early day, it cannot yet be carried out.'" (George W. Givens, 500 More Little-Known Facts in Mormon History, 2004, p. 169)"One of the most famous utopian books ever written was Looking Backward by Edward Bellamy, published in 1889. Some scholars believe Looking Backward had considerable influence in the making of Lenin's Soviet Russia. If this is true, then [ensuing Lds "prophet"] Lorenzo Snow and the Latter-day Saints must receive some of the credit--or blame. Hearing of the success of the United Order in Brigham City, Edward Bellamy made a special trip to Utah in 1886 to study its operation. There he spent three days with Lorenzo Snow, Brigham City's founder and forty-year resident. Impressed with the thirty to forty industries run by its 2,000 inhabitants and the vitality at that time of one of the most successful United Orders, Bellamy returned home and wrote his influential book." (500 More Little-Known Facts in Mormon History, p. 185). Way to go, 19th century Mormon leader-“prophets” of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor & Lorenzo Snow!!! They all unwittingly fueled Soviet Communism!
What about Marion G. Romney, cousin to Mitt's father? Who was he in Lds hierarchy? (Title: 'President' - Top 3 of church as 2nd counselor to both #11 & #12 Lds 'prophets') (Things As They Really Are, p. 73). Cited in official Lds publication, Search the Commandments: Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, pp. 275-276 (1984) "Elder Neal A. Maxwell has said: 'Following the living prophets is something that must be done in all seasons and circumstances. We must be like President Marion G. Romney, who humbly said, '..I have never hesitated to follow the counsel of the Authorities of the Church even though it crossed my social, professional, and political life' (Conference Report, April 1941, p. 123). There are, or will be moments when prophetic declarations collide with our pride or our seeming personal interests...Do I believe in the living prophet even when he speaks on matters affecting me and my specialty directly? Or do I stop sustaining the prophet when his words fall in my territory? if the latter, the prophet is without honor in our country!

"I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers - I will be true to them and to my beliefs." - Mitt Romney

Source: Transcript: Mitt Romney's Faith Speech
5 posted on 07/14/2012 10:08:29 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Logical me

“Communists will lie, distort, and rape America. Another communists effort.”

Thanks Senator McCarthy, for your vigilance.


6 posted on 07/14/2012 10:59:00 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Colofornian
Romney's religious track-record re: Communism...see the last column to the right below...and then realize that Romney says he is "faithful" to the faith of his forefathers in the faith!

REALLY?

ARE there ANY of you Hate Mitt and MORMONS Freepers who have a "PAIR" and would care to engage in a little dialogue vis-a-vis, WHICH "Religion" is more of a a THREAT to our SURVIVAL and SECURITY: Mormonism or ISLAM?

DON'T RUN AWAY AND HIDE UNDER YOUR BED. COME OUT AND DEFEND YOUR POSITION....IF YOU DARE AND IF YOU CAN.

Hows about you provide a single (EVEN ONE) example whereby the Mormon religion ADVOCATES "Global Hegmenony and wants to convert EVERYONE on Earth of Mormonism "by force if need be;" "has as its primary objective, to "Destroy our miserable house from within, by our own hand" AND REPLACE OUR CONSTITUTION WITH "The Book of Mormons;" dictates STONING for adulturers; the cutting off of hands for thiefs; KILLING of apostates; HATES all Infidels (but especially, Jews and Christians); gives infidels only 3 choices: Convert (SUBMIT), live as "Dhimmis" (SLAVES) or be KILLED; etc., etc., etc.

Oh, and PLEASE include ONE example whereby Mittens has EVER said or done anything (LIKE THE ONE Y'ALL "SUPPORT" and WANT TO SEE REELECTED...you so called "Principled CONSERVATIVES"...your Dear Leader) which shows his hatred for America and dislike for our Constitution?

NO ONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A CONSERVATIVE "PATRIOT" would EVER, sit back and allow the FASCIST, Neo-Commie, Islamic-Jihadi/Muslim Brotherhood-appeaser/defender/supporter, to be reelected....at least NONE who has ever served in the Military and knows what it is like to put it all on the line for our Republic.

Mmmm, lets see now, who is more of a "threat" to the safety and security of the United States among these 2?

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And of these 2, which is more dangerous to our survival?

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The Muslim Brotherhood Agenda as outlined in 1991 in Phildelphia:

The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means.

The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America
is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within
and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands
and the hands of the believers
so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions.

Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.

(REMINDER of that—The Muslim Brotherhood/Islam--which B. Hussein Obama SUPPORTS and which is ACTIVELY working—through “Civilization/Stealth” Jihad—to replace our Constitution with SHARIA )

THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD CREED:

Allah is our objective;
the Prophet is our leader;
the Quran is our law;
Jihad is our way;
dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.”

Though we are all aware of Obama's proclivity towards appeasing Islam and Islamic Republics; his negotiating with our enemies (Taliban); his release of captured Terrorists; his support of the "Arab Spring" in the ME which has led to the takeover of those countries by Radical Islamists; etc, many are not aware of what he has done to facilitate their (Islamists) acceptance and appointment to positions of "trust" within our own Government

Here are but 6 of those individuals:

03hussain
Rashad Hussain

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Kifa Mustapha

Mohamed_Elibiary

Momamed Elibiary

huma

Huma Abedin

dalia-mogahed

Daliah Mogahed

ImamMagid-TN

Mohamed Magid

Islam is a frontal attack on Christianity and Judaism and its time we understood this threat and called it what it is. We are not in a “war on terror”, which so many politically correct politicians would have us believe.

The whole world is, and has been for 1,400 years, in a WAR AGAINST ISLAM! If we do not stand up against this cancerous enemy, whose ultimate goal is to bring the entire world into submission to Islam and have all people worship none but Allah, then Western Civilization and human freedom as we know it will soon cease to exist.

America faces in addition to the threat of violent jihad another, even more toxic danger – a stealthy and pre-violent form of warfare aimed at destroying our constitutional form of democratic government and free society. The Muslim Brotherhood is the prime-mover behind this seditious campaign, which it calls “civilization jihad.”

For a detailed description of who these individuals pictured above are, their goals and what damage they have done and the real threat they pose, see the following:

Muslim Brotherhood in America Part 8: Team Obama and the Islamists

IF after viewing this video, one does not come away with the resolve to do whatever it takes to defeat Barack Hussein Obama, then I worry about the future of our Great Republic.

PS: One should at least bookmark this most enlightening, informative, well researched and documented 10-part Series by Frank Gaffney (Muslim Brotherhood in America) and watch all of it as soon as time permits.

BRITAIN G20 PALACE

“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

from page 261 of the paperback edition of “The Audacity of Hope.

All it takes for .....

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.....EVIL....

..... to triumph is for good men to do nothing.......!"

....you know, like staying home or writing in someone's name which is the same thing as affirmatively, voting for the closest most of us will ever come to WITNESSING PURE EVIL while still alive...Barack, Barry, Hussein, Soetoro, Obama.

"Oh yeah, we'll stand on 'PRINCIPLES' and show them what's what, then in 2016, we will really, REALLY, work to elect a true Conservative....."

Yeah, right, provided there is still a United States of America left as we used to know it.

FAIR WARNING: America's Enemies Within

"A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves against those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." ...

Roman statesman and political theorist Marcus Tullius Cicero

If Obama is reelected in 2012, the chances of an election, at all, in 2016 is almost nil.

7 posted on 07/14/2012 11:00:32 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Colofornian

The article suggests that the LDS church doesn’t contribute many resources to charity and that they leverage volunteer hours for profit

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It is true. If they want to be ‘for profit’ then they need to admit they aren’t a church. Ever since Smith, the LDS has used their status as a religion to get rich and as a cover for their businesses and money making on the backs of their members.

The lack of financial transparency is the hallmark of a cult, not a legitimate church. At my church, I can go up to the secretary and ask to see the books anytime, there is a 5 minute delay if I am asking for records over 3 yrs old because she has to go to storage to get them.


8 posted on 07/14/2012 11:33:38 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Logical me

Yet the article is NOT a lie at all. Read The Mormon Corporate Empire for starters.


9 posted on 07/14/2012 11:34:50 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: All
Ignore the thread highjack attempt.

I've said since 2007 that running a member of a known racist sect against (from the 1830s until 1978) a black man was utter stupidity.

There will be months of this kind of information put out for voters to see, and in this case there is NOTHING about the article that is not factual.

10 posted on 07/14/2012 11:36:22 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Jim Robinson re Romney: "He’s a cartoonish fraud. A caricature in progress." Dittos)
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To: Colofornian

Did the Olympics that Willard worked on flop financially?


12 posted on 07/14/2012 11:55:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
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13 posted on 07/14/2012 11:55:50 AM PDT by MtnMan101
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To: Larry Lucido

I think that their welfare system has some very good points.


14 posted on 07/14/2012 12:01:59 PM PDT by Little Bill
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To: Little Bill; Larry Lucido

I think that their welfare system has some very good points.

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As a model for government, yes. Work to get your support.

But as a corporation that CLAIMS to be a Christian church, no. What the LDS do is not ‘charity’ at all and that is a role of the church.


15 posted on 07/14/2012 12:05:05 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian
1. First prove that Obama IS Muslim

AND you are going to "prove" Mittens is a "Communist" as you "suggest?"

While I can list many, many instances whereby Dear Leader has appeased, defended, praised, and supported the "Religion of Pieces" (WHAT TA "F" DO YOU THINK IT MEANS WHEN HE PERSONALLY RECRUITS AND APPOINTS "MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD" ADVISERS?)....

I'll bet the farm you (or ANY of your fellow HATE Mormons) can come up with even ONE example whereby Mitt has said ANYTHING positive about "Communism;" has any Commie Associates;" has "Dissed" our Constitution, (because of its "NEGATIVE LIBERTIES," etc.

MEANWHILE, chew on this: "Obama Admits He Is A Muslim Video

http://republicmainstreet.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/obama-admits-he-is-a-muslim-video-hannity-pressured-to-not-show-it/

Go ahead, the ball is in your court!!!

16 posted on 07/14/2012 12:38:37 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Salvation; Colofornian
Did the Olympics that Willard worked on flop financially?

Yes, but he relied heavily on Federal Tax-Payer dollars to subsidize the Olympics.

Like everything with Mitt, what he tells you is only have the story.
17 posted on 07/14/2012 12:48:19 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; Colofornian


No, you've still not answered the most important question proferred to you by Colofornian:

2. Then prove that Mormonism is any less teflon-proof to hell than Islam is...(And regarding the eternal "second death" -- only a fool thinks the "brush fire" here on earth is the three-alarm, city-wide meltdown that hell represents)

So the ball is still in YOUR court.
19 posted on 07/14/2012 12:53:15 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; Colofornian
This simply goes to show your irrational hatred is based upon a lie as you can NOT prove your case other than using hyperbole, dissembling and other typical, Liberal tactics.

You apparently cannot read.

Of all the threads on FreeRepublic, the Religion Forum threads concerning Mormonism are the best sourced on FreeRepublic. The flying Imams provide all sorts of proof from the foundational documents of Mormonism, their bible, and the Christian Bible. They also use the words of Mormon Leaders themselves in context to prove their points.

You, on the other hand, constantly display an irrational hatred towards those proving their point using a solid factual and logical process.
20 posted on 07/14/2012 12:57:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
AND you are going to "prove" Mittens is a "Communist" as you "suggest?"

The only proof I offered is that historically speaking, MormonISM
-- by one Mormon writer's own admission (citing the 3rd Lds "prophet")
-- practiced (past tense) communism.

Other than that, we would probably each agree that ObamaCare and RomneyCare is socialism.

So...Obama & Romney ARE the "twin pioneers of socialism."

While I can list many, many instances whereby Dear Leader has appeased, defended, praised, and supported the "Religion of Pieces" (WHAT TA "F" DO YOU THINK IT MEANS WHEN HE PERSONALLY RECRUITS AND APPOINTS "MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD" ADVISERS?)....

Iow, you can't -- or won't PROVE Obama IS Muslim!

MEANWHILE, chew on this: "Obama Admits He Is A Muslim Video http://republicmainstreet.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/obama-admits-he-is-a-muslim-video-hannity-pressured-to-not-show-it/ Go ahead, the ball is in your court!!!

You're funny! You take us to a clip where THE VERY FIRST written content on the clip is: Legal Disclaimer: The writers, producers, editors, and publishers of this video are not stating, claiming, or implying that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim, or that Obama himself has claimed or admitted that he's a Muslim.

Which side of the argument are you on again????

For all we know, Obama's Muslim roots are like Rubio's Mormonism roots. Rubio went back to the Roman Catholic church at age 12...Obama? We know he landed with Rev. Wright; since then, who knows?

What's "funny" about flaky FREEPER claims about Obama's religiosity is that when I've posted Mormon doctrine claiming temple Mormons are "gods-in-embryo" on their way up to full-grown godhood, we get numerous "cutesy" comments like "Obama already is a god" (in his own eyes).

Yet, if Obama IS a Muslim -- as many more FREEPERs have claimed -- then polytheism would be the last thing a TRUE Muslim would embrace!

FREEPERs just can't keep their stories straight about Obama's supposed religiosity because too many don't trade in facts and evidence and proof...just empty conjectures. Now some conjectures may have a basis of reality; and some conjectures may prove to have been so. But minus the facts & evidence & proof, the world just sees it as baseless gossip...no better than what two neighborly busybodies might engage in.

22 posted on 07/14/2012 1:05:27 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; Conservative Vermont Vet
"RomneyCare is socialism."

I disagree. Romneycare does not involve any state owned businesses. It specifically involves privately owned insurance companies.

24 posted on 07/14/2012 1:10:38 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: SoConPubbie
You apparently cannot read.

Of all the threads on FreeRepublic, the Religion Forum threads concerning Mormonism are the best sourced on FreeRepublic. The flying Imams provide all sorts of proof from the foundational documents of Mormonism, their bible, and the Christian Bible. They also use the words of Mormon Leaders themselves in context to prove their points.

You, on the other hand, constantly display an irrational hatred towards those proving their point using a solid factual and logical process.

Well then by all means, why not enlighten me oh erudite and knowledgeable one?

PLEASE PROVIDE WHAT I KEEP (REPEATING OVER AND OVER AND OVER) ASKING FOR:

1. ANYTHING which shows (TODAY, in modern time and not 100+ years ago) whereby ANY "Prominent" Mormon (of course that ESPECIALLY includes Romney) advocates the replacing of our Constitution with the "Book of Mormons?"

2. PREACHES hatred (and the KILLING) of Jews as well as the DESTRUCTION of Israel?

3. The KILLING of those who leave the Mormon religion?

4. That of "Destroying our miserable house from within by our own hand?"

5. The STONING of women merely for being "Accused" of adultery?

6. Impressing upon ALL Mormons that they have a "Duty" (and OBLIGATION) to wage a "HOLY WAR" against ALL "others" (world-wide) until there is but one Religion..."Mormonism."

7. How one can be threatened with DEATH if one insults the Mormon Religion of John Smith?

Do you really want me to go one and list another 20 or 30 examples?

I'm waiting!!!!

25 posted on 07/14/2012 1:19:44 PM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Colofornian
Bash away. Right on time for the November election. It's on!


26 posted on 07/14/2012 1:24:02 PM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I have an idea stick to the thread about mormonISM and their business practice.
If you are interested in talking about islam an their business practices, start a new thread.
Of course you could start a thread comparing and contrasting mormonISM and islam, that would be interesting. This poster however is talking about mommonISM and their business practices.


27 posted on 07/14/2012 1:37:39 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Colofornian

he he he he
You WILL believe the grief I am getting on facebook over my stance on Romney...


29 posted on 07/14/2012 1:55:40 PM PDT by RaceBannon (I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Sorry, I guess you missed the part about this thread being in the Religion Forum, oh and the part about exposing mormonISM.
Exposing mormonISM is not hatred of mormons, but hey its not on me if you don’t see the difference.
Start your own thread about islam, really its that simple.
It might serve you well to learn about the structure of mormonISM before you defend it.


30 posted on 07/14/2012 1:58:25 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Salvation

Romney received $600 mil from taxpayers money to bail out the Olympics, so failure would depend on your point of view.


31 posted on 07/14/2012 2:10:13 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
your attacks are falling mostly on deaf ears (then why do you care?) and I doubt you have managed to make so much as a SINGLE "Convert (boy are you wrong about that, I mean really really wrong.)
32 posted on 07/14/2012 2:14:03 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—” Joseph Smith or the Sword!, 1838

Joseph Smith prophesied that he was superior to the laws of the land. I would yet tread down our enemies, and walk over their dead bodies; and will not let alone, will be a second Mohammed to this generation, and that I would make it one gore of blood from the Rocky mountains to the Atlantic ocean; that like Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was, ‘the Alcoran or the Sword.’ So should it be eventually with us, ‘Joseph Smith or the Sword.’ (History of the Church 3:167).

Two references for your edification.

This is the foundation of mormonISM.


33 posted on 07/14/2012 2:25:38 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; SoConPubbie
AGAIN: You have NOT met the conditions elaborated in post #11...there were TWO of them.

You vainly TRIED to meet condition #1...which, I pointed out in post #25, you utterly failed.

Islam is irrelevant to this thread -- no matter how much you vainly try to make it about that.

34 posted on 07/14/2012 2:57:13 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: SoConPubbie
I'm wondering how much went to the Olympics or to Federal Agencies for safety & security services ?

What was the comparison to other year of Olympics?

35 posted on 07/14/2012 3:12:49 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: SoConPubbie
I'm wondering how much went to the Olympics or to Federal Agencies for safety & security services ?

What was the comparison to other year of Olympics?

36 posted on 07/14/2012 3:13:04 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: Logical me
Communists will lie, distort, and rape America. Another communists effort.
I agree.

Commies always hate business and business success.

38 posted on 07/14/2012 3:30:24 PM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar ObamaCareTax definitely is a tax; just ask the US Supreme Court.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“I disagree. Romneycare does not involve any state owned businesses. It specifically involves privately owned insurance companies.”


It specifically requires people to buy insurance and forces insurance companies to provide coverage. IOW, with everyone paying into it, it is a redistribution of wealth from those who do not need it to those who do, which at the same time raises the rates for all in order to continue paying for it. It also was subsidized by tax money not just from Mass., but from the federal government to the tune of millions of dollars.


39 posted on 07/14/2012 3:30:47 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Great post, Conservative Vermont Vet.

And thanks for your service. I just read your bio page.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2906529/posts?page=7#7


40 posted on 07/14/2012 3:34:37 PM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar ObamaCareTax definitely is a tax; just ask the US Supreme Court.)
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To: SoConPubbie; svcw; Salvation; Colofornian

From the Congressional Record:

Senator McCain on the GAO Report
On Sept. 19, 2000, Sen. McCain, speaking in opposition to the Conference Report on the 2001 Legislative Branch Appropriations bill advised the Senate of details from the GAO’s report. As recorded in the Congressional Record, Sen. McCain stated,

“The GAO now determines that $1.3 billion—and some of those I will read: $974,000 for the Utah State Olympic Public Safety Command; $5 million for the Utah Communications Agency Network; $3 million to Olympic Regional Development Authority, upgrades at Mt. Van Hoevenberg Sports Complex; $2.5 million, Salt Lake City Olympics bus facilities; $2.5 million, Salt Lake City Olympics regional park-and-ride lots; $500,000, Salt Lake City Olympics transit bus loan, and on and on; $925,000 to allow the Utah State Olympic Public Safety Command to continue to develop and support a public safety program for the 2002 Winter Olympics; $1 million for the 2002 Winter Olympics security training; $2.2 million for the Charleston Water Conservancy District, UT, to meet sewer infrastructure needs associated with the 2002 Winter Olympic Games. What the Olympic games supposedly hosted and funded by Salt Lake City, which began in corruption and bribery, has now turned into is an incredible pork-barrel project for Salt Lake City and its environs.” — Sen. John McCain in the United States Senate, Sept. 19, 2000 - [Page S8731-S8748 - Congressional Record.]


41 posted on 07/14/2012 3:36:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Tennessee Nana; SoConPubbie; Salvation; Colofornian

Interesting article from The Salt Lake Tribune.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/mobile/53538605-90/billion-earmarks-federal-games.html.csp

And second Utah paper.
http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/02/17/did-romney-really-turn-around-olympics

Wow, he sure did a great job “saving” the Olympics single handedly.

Good info Nana.


42 posted on 07/14/2012 3:45:40 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Tennessee Nana

In the GAO report

investigators report that, “no government-wide law or policy exists that defines the federal government’s overall role in funding and supporting the Olympic Games when hosted in the United States. Nor is there a single federal agency that has the responsibility to oversee and monitor the federal funding and support provided for the Olympic Games.” However, reports the GAO, federal agencies have in the past and continue to fund various aspects of the Olympic Games in response to requests from state and local governments. According to the GAO, “ Federal assistance has been requested because these entities have not had enough resources to provide for the infrastructure improvements necessary to prepare the host city or to plan and stage all aspects of the Olympic Games when hosted in the United States.”


43 posted on 07/14/2012 3:53:20 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: BlueMoose

GAO’s Recommendations
In its report to Senators McCain and Dingell, the GAO concludes that while its roll in the Olympic Games is not specifically authorized by statute or policy, the federal government has become a major financial supporter of the Games when hosted by U.S. cities. According to the GAO, Congress should consider passing laws formalizing the government’s roll and level of support for the Olympic Games.


44 posted on 07/14/2012 3:54:52 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: RaisingCain
"It specifically requires people to buy insurance."

Like every state does for auto liability insurance. And exactly, how is this socialism?

"It forces insurance companies to provide coverage."

Huh?

45 posted on 07/14/2012 3:59:59 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: norwaypinesavage

“”It specifically requires people to buy insurance.”
Like every state does for auto liability insurance. And exactly, how is this socialism?

“It forces insurance companies to provide coverage.”

Huh?”


It requires people to buy insurance due to the act of living. Insurance for auto liability is if you choose to drive on roads built by the government. This is a great leap that basically means they can force us to do anything, whereas at least with cars I can choose to drive something that’s safe on sidewalks, ride a bike or take a bus. You’ve accepted the Statist argument that states can do whatever they want to their citizens based on the 10th amendment, but this also is a lie.

As for the latter quote, if you are required to buy insurance, it stands to reason that insurance companies must provide it regardless of previous health conditions.


46 posted on 07/14/2012 4:08:12 PM PDT by RaisingCain
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Good work, Sarge.


47 posted on 07/14/2012 4:08:12 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: RaisingCain

Willard to Bill O’Reilly “Its working the way its suppose to work, 50% from the state of Massachusetts, 50% from the Federal government.”


48 posted on 07/14/2012 4:10:58 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: RaisingCain

Willard to Bill O’Reilly “Its working the way its suppose to work, 50% from the state of Massachusetts, 50% from the Federal government.”


49 posted on 07/14/2012 4:10:58 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: RaisingCain

You need to look up “socialism” in the dictionary.


50 posted on 07/14/2012 4:11:42 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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