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Posted on 07/13/2012 2:34:37 PM PDT by NYer
Barbara Castro Garcia
July 13, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) One day early in 2010, newlyweds Ignacio Cabezas and Barbara Castro Garcia were sitting in a café eating breakfast. The couple both had smiles on their faces that, in the words of Ignacio, were impossible to erase.
After 11 years of dating, the couple had gotten married several months before, and now they had just found out they were expecting their first child. “We were crazy about getting married and once married, we wanted very much to be parents, Ignacio remembers.
Little did they know that this pregnancy, which had already brought them so much joy, was also the beginning of a saga that would test their faith to the limit—and ultimately take the life of the young mother.
Four months into the pregnancy, Barbara took a trip to the dentist complaining of a sore in her mouth. The dentist sent her on to a specialist, who diagnosed her with mouth cancer.
The couple was presented with a conundrum: Barbara urgently needed life-saving treatment, but the treatment had the potential to harm their unborn child.
Bolstered by her Catholic faith Barbara, who worked as a journalist in the communications office of the Catholic diocese of Cordoba, made the difficult decision to forgo all treatments except for a surgical procedure that left her in immense pain.
But Ignacio says that throughout the ordeal, Barbara remained strong. “My wife said from the beginning that our daughter would be born the day that God wanted, not one before,” he says.
A statement on the diocese of Cordobas website remembers Barbaras faith at this time. Anchored in the heart of Christ, the inexhaustible source of love, Barbara opted first for the life of her daughter, the diocese says. At all times she has maintained an unwavering faith, and has been the encouragement and hope for all who have surrounded her during this long and painful illness.
Their child, Barbarita, was born on Nov. 1, 2010 a healthy baby and the source of much consolation to the couple.
But within days the pains of Barbaras cancer were flaring up, and the couple went to Madrid to see a surgeon. The news wasn’t good. The surgeon told Barbara that there was little hope, and that he was amazed she even survived as long as she had.
Thus began the grueling rounds of chemotherapy and other treatments that left her without a tongue and part of her jaw, rendering her incapable of speaking or eating. She had to be fed through a tube.
Ultimately the cancer would get the upper hand, and earlier this month Barbara died, after having sacrificed everything for her child.
The Spanish publication La Gaceta reports that it spoke to Ignacio the day after Barbaras death, and that he seemed serene.
He told the paper that he feels a strength of faith that I had never felt before.
I feel invincible…God is holding on to me and he doesnt want to let me go.
In part of a letter from Ignacio to his wife, quoted by La Gaceta, Ignacio wrote: I sensed we were going to suffer a lot, that it would be very hard and probably very long, but I also assured you that, no matter how hard it was, afterwards I would make sure you were the happiest person in the world, that all the effort was worth it, that we would enjoy our daughter and that we would have to prepare ourselves for an uncertain and horrible period.
The statement on the Cordoba dioceses website concludes: The Good Father, Lord of Charity, who embraced [Barbara] tenderly in her lifetime, today opened the doors of Paradise. The angels have come to her and the Blessed Virgin gave her the crown of victory, because she, better than anyone, knows what it takes to give her life for love.
For his part, Ignacio says he simply wants to honor her as she deserves.”
The story of Barbaras heroism closely parallels that of Chiara Corbella, an Italian woman who died just last month, also after foregoing cancer treatment to save the life of her unborn baby.
Eternal rest grant unto her, O Lord, and may perpetual light shine upon her. May she rest in peace.
Prayers for Ignacio and Barbarita.
The word, “hero”, is not too strong. Enjoy life eternal, Mama Barbara.
“Enjoy life eternal, Mama Barbara.”
She did a wonderful and brave thing and she deserves honor, but let’s hope she placed her trust in Christ and Him alone. Dying to save her child contributed nothing toward her eternal salvation.
A saint in every sense of the word.
True heroism. Lovely woman.
Eternal rest grant unto her, O Lord. May perpetual light shine upon her.
A saint from an earthly perspective sure, but salvation cannot be earned by sacrificing yourself for a baby or 10,000 babies. Scripture makes it crystal clear that salvation is by grace through faith and not of works.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
What a wonderful witness to faith, hope, and love.
Jesus says "Whatever you did to the least of my brothers, you did it to Me." We are judged and our eternal destiny is determined in accordance with our works.
Scripture says a whole lot of things ...
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. -- John 15:13
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. -- 1 Pt 4:8
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. -- 1 Tm 2:15
Why do you ignore those verses in order to harangue us about how she couldn't be saved except by grace through faith, both of which -- grace and faith -- she certainly had, since she was a believing Catholic?
I ignore those verses because those verses say nothing about how God justifies a human soul. However, the two verses I quoted do.
My purpose wasn’t to harangue anyone. As I said, I respect what she did and find her death both heroic and extremely sad, but no one should believe her death secured her eternal salvation.
Salvation cannot be rendered down to a single verse or bumper sticker, it must be taken as a whole, each verse in the context of all others. Nor is Salvation the same for each of us. God ask us all to do what we can do and for those to whom much is given more is expected. Scripture tells us than there are many things that save us;
-God (2 Timothy 1:8-9),
-Jesus (Matthew 1:21, 1 Timothy 1:15),
-The Holy Spirit (John 3:5, Titus 3:5, 2 Thessalonians 2:13),
-Grace (Ephesians 2:8),
-The Blood of Christ (Romans 5:9), Jesus Name (Acts 4:12), Jesus Life (Romans 5:10),
-The Gospel (Romans 1:16, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 15:1-2; 2 Thessalonians 2:13),
-The Implanted Word (James 1:21),
-Faith (Acts 16:31, Romans 1:16, 10:9-10, 1 Peter 1:9),
-Obedience (Matthew 7:21, Hebrews 5:9, 1 Peter 1:21), Works (Philippians 2:12, James 2:24),
-Loving God and others (John 14:21-24),
-Confession of Faith (Romans 10:9-10),
-Repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10),
-Baptism (Mark 16:16, 1 Peter 3:21, Acts 2:38, 22:16),
-Doctrine (1 Timothy 4:16),
-Evangelization (Romans 10:13-14, 11:14; 1 Corinthians 1:21, 7:16, 9:22; James 5:20).
Peace be with you
“We are judged and our eternal destiny is determined in accordance with our works.”
You believe that at your own peril because that’s not what Scripture says.
Scripture says, “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” (Romans 3:20)
And Romans 3:28 says, “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.”
“Nor is Salvation the same for each of us.”
Salvation is precisely the same for every man who has ever walked the planet. Those who lived during the Old Testament days looked forward to the cross and we look backwards. Regardless of the era, all the work for salvation was done by Him and through Him.
Hmm. Would killing her child to try to save herself have worked against her eternal salvation?
I don’t think a true Christian would abort her child to save herself, but Christ died for all of the sins of His sheep, including abortion.
She had grace to do what she did. She was also graceful in her living. You could learn from her.
**I ignore those verses because those verses say nothing about how God justifies a human soul. **
And you know God’s mind now?
The why did Christ give us the Beatitudes to follow from th Sermon on the Mount?
Happiness: Blessed are Those who Hunger and Thirst for Righteousness (Part 3)
Happiness: The first three Beatitudes (Part 2)
Happiness: Ancient and Modern Concepts of Happines (Part 1)
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are Those Who Are Persecuted for Righteousness Sake
Learning the beatitudes during Lent -- use your Rosary to learn the Beatitutdes [Catholic Caucus]
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are the Peacemakers [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are the Pure in Heart
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are the Merciful
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are Those Who Hunger and Thirst for Righteousness
The Beatitudes: Blessed are the Meek
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are Those Who Mourn
The Beatitudes: Blessed Are the Poor in Spirit
Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 8 Beatitudes
The Beatitudes: Generosity and Happiness
Beatitudes by Bishop Fulton Sheen
Happiness of Sacrifice
The Danger of Spiritual Sloth [Reflection on The Beatitudes]
Satan's version of the sermon on the mount [Difficult read]
The Eight Beatitudes
The Spiritual Works of Mercy [Catholic Caucus]
The Corporal Works of Mercy [Catholic Caucus]
Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 7 Spiritual Works of Mercy
Lists Every Catholic Should be Familiar With: The 7 Corporal Works of Mercy
Catholic Caucus: Spiritual Works of Mercy
Introduction to the Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy
The Spiritual Works of Mercy
The Corporal Works of Mercy
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Corporal and Spiritual Works of Mercy
Saint Paul taught that good works must accompany saving faith (Eph. 2:10; Tit. 3:8; Gal. 5:6; Phil. 2:11-12).
But here’s the one that protestants like to ignore.
Revelation 20: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Careful, everyone has to make the best choice they can about God's mind.
Yes, even Catholics.
Even with the entirety of Catholic teachings and everything they claim, a person still has to make the choice to accept Catholicism as their beliefs, and - before God - they are personally responsible for that choice.
Devout Catholics shrug and say, "fine, before God I choose Catholicism as my faith. But many other people believe that once they choose a faith, including Catholicism, they are somehow freed of the responsibility for that personal choice. That it's now "Catholicism" that bears the responsibility.
Well, even if Catholicism (or any other religion) claims that authority, the person still has to first choose Catholicism.
I just happen to think that issue is a big deal. Everyone chooses their path to God, and everyone is personally responsible for that choice before God.
In my humble opinon, of course.
Lord our God, rest Thy servant Barbara with the saints.
Lord Jesus, thank you for Thy Church who raises saints like this to Thy glory. We praise Thee, Lord and we adore Thee.
In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, amen.
There is NO way that I can know God’s mind at any time.
Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. - John 15:13
Grieve not - she went from Love, to Love, through Love.
Unless, of course, God tells you His mind. In which case it wouldn't be your doing, but His. And you can't deny Him the power to do it if He chooses. After all, such a thing has been known to happen.
In any event, all all I meant is that we are all personally responsible for our beliefs.
You can trash me, but I was very complimentary of her. What she did was rare and heroic. I admire her. However, some here presume her decision to die so that her child might live secured eternal life, but it did no such thing. The Bible contains no “sacrificial death” guarantee of eternal life. There are hellbound pagan mothers who have never heard the name of Christ who would do the same thing. No one here knows what was in her heart, so no one reading my words can know her eternal destiny with certainty. What we know is that she is in the Lord’s hands. He is just and He will do what is right. Of that we can be certain.
When I run into people who presume someone is heaven bound based on a false hope I have two options. I can remain quiet and allow them to continue believing a lie all the way to the pit of hell simply to keep from hurting their feelings or upsetting them. Or I can tell them the truth knowing it might upset them at the moment but somewhere down the line the Lord might be pleased to allow my words to play a tiny part in bringing them to a saving knowledge of Christ. I chose door number two.
I don’t want strife with any man, but because I love the Lord and His gospel, I’m motivated to spread the saving truths found in His word. I can’t stand the thought of anyone perishing in his sin, so I try to tell the truth even when it is upsetting. I’m not cavalier about eternity. I know there is a literal hell in store for the lost. In the end I’d rather be divided by truth than united in error.
Friend, I’m not ignoring anything and neither do protestants who understand protestant beliefs. I completely and totally believe good works accompany faith, they are evidence of faith before men. But good works do not secure salvation because salvation is by grace through faith. There are countless passages that make that clear.
I go back to the clear words of St. Paul I posted earlier:
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” —Ephesians 2:8-9
“Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” —Romans 3:20
Paul works his way through the spiritual condition of all men and comes to this conclusion in Romans 3: “Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” —Romans 3:28
Where He has spoken we can trust Him. And He has made His way of salvation quite clear in His Word.
Who trashed you? You could learn from her. That isn’t trashing you. That’s just the truth.
“The Bible contains no sacrificial death guarantee of eternal life. There are hellbound pagan mothers who have never heard the name of Christ who would do the same thing.”
No, actually there aren’t.
“I can remain quiet and allow them to continue believing a lie...”
Prove it is a lie that this woman is heaven bound. Prove it. When you fail - and you will - we’ll see that you’re the only one really being presumptuous here about someone going or not to heaven.
“Or I can tell them the truth knowing it might upset them at the moment but somewhere down the line the Lord might be pleased to allow my words to play a tiny part in bringing them to a saving knowledge of Christ. I chose door number two.”
Don’t let that door hit you in the head. You HUGE error here is that you are essentially denying that this woman of obviously profound faith had no faith in Christ. Again, you’re being incredibly presumptuous.
When I meet people being presumptuous (i.e. assuming they know that someone didn’t actually have faith when all the facts speak otherwise) I can two one of two things: 1) I can let him be a presumptuous know-nothing, 2) I can show him he’s being a presumptuous know-nothing. You’ve been shown. Deal with it.
So have you experienced visions, dreams or otherwise from God?
No argument here.
Yes, but I’m only interested in what Scripture has to say, not the traditions, dogmas, and doctrines of men. Works of mercy don’t save souls. Christ and Christ alone is the Savior.
In order to enter heaven a man must be perfect and righteous. But men are sinful and far from perfect. In Psalms it says that we are conceived in iniquity. Scripture tells us we are dead in trespasses and sin. Perfection and rightousness are an impossibility. Is 64:6 says, “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”
Because we are dead in sin and without hope, Christ died as a substitute. He became sin (took our sin debt as a substitute) so that His perfect righteousness could be imputed to His sheep. When the Lord looks at a man who is truly born again He doesn’t see their sin, He see’s them as perfect and righteous IN CHRIST.
If you read the last section of Romans 9 Paul refers to Israel’s unbelief and says:
30 What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33 as it is written,
Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense; and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.
Read verse 33 carefully. Israel did not pursue rightousness by faith, but “as if it were based on works.” He goes on to say they have stumbled over a stumbling stone, a rock of offence. Don’t stumble over the same stone of works that doomed Israel.
Consider what Scripture says of Abraham’s justification.
“For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.” (Romans 4:3)
“Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.” (Genesis 15:6)
“Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness.” (Romans 4:9)
Consider Abraham: “He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”(Galations 3:6)
And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. (James 2:23)
Men are justified today the exact same way Father Abraham was all centuries ago.
“Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works.” ~ James 2:21-22
James also said faith without works dead, and that is Catholic theology. They go hand in hand.
I’ve not denied anything about this woman, certainly not about her faith. You are looking at one act and presuming faith in Christ, but was she trusting in her good work or was she truly trusting in Christ? You do not know and neither do I.
And apparently you did not read carefully. What I was saying was a lie was the idea that dying for her child secured salvation. I can say that with absolute certainty on the basis of Scripture because it is clear that salvation is by grace through faith AND NOT OF WORKS lest anyone should boast. Salvation cannot be earned. It is a gift of God.
Yes, James said that. What he was saying was that those works justify us before men, not before God. In other words, those good works are evidence before other men of what God has already done in us. Our works don’t contribute to our salvation, they are evidence of it. There is no conflict between Paul and James.
It doesn’t matter what Catholic doctrine is. It only matters what Scripture says.
“You are looking at one act and presuming faith in Christ, but was she trusting in her good work or was she truly trusting in Christ? You do not know and neither do I.”
Actually I do know since no one has ever voiced what you are claiming. If she had faith in Christ - and her husband and family attest to that - and she had it FIRST, that is, long before the baby came along, then there is no reason for your presumption. It’s just that simple.
“And apparently you did not read carefully. What I was saying was a lie was the idea that dying for her child secured salvation.”
And exactly who claimed “dying for her child secured salvation” before you started posting against that idea in post #3? Certainly the answer is NO ONE. Not even jagusafr was claiming that and you were posting to him!!!
“I can say that with absolute certainty on the basis of Scripture because it is clear that salvation is by grace through faith AND NOT OF WORKS lest anyone should boast. Salvation cannot be earned. It is a gift of God.”
And no one here disagrees with that. You need to smarten up.
“Works of mercy dont save souls. Christ and Christ alone is the Savior.”
So, Christ dying on the cross for us was not an act of mercy?
You know I wasn’t referring to Christ and His work on the cross. I know you can distinguish between acts of mercy performed by a sinner and the death of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords on that Roman cross. He died an atoning death as the substitute for His sheep. He paid their sin debt in full and in turn His perfect rightousness was imputed to them.
Um, one of the posts before mine the person said something about her enjoying eternal life. In other words he presumed she was saved. That’s what I was responding to. I see the same type presumption everytime someone dies. I always hope they are correct in their presumption, just as I do in this instance. Based on the authority of Scripture, I can say with certainty that there is nothing WE CAN DO, even dying for a child, to secure salvation.
“So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.” (Romans 9:16)
The NIV says it this way:
“It does not, therefore, depend on man’s desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.” (Romans 9:16)
No one but God can know with 100% certainty what was in this woman’s heart, but the article makes a diligent case in her favor. This woman was so devoted to her Christian faith that she refused treatment that would kill her unborn child. She did place her trust in Christ, in the end sacrificing her life to save an innocent child. Doesn’t that sound like something deserving of eternal life in Heaven? She put her faith in God and pursued what she believed to be true. Believing in God without acting on it is empty.
Jesus loved his mother and his mother loved him. In Heaven they were reunited. If Barbarita has as much faith in God as Barbara did, then one day they will be united in Heaven.
What a beautiful gift of life this woman gave her child, and may it never be taken for granted.
“Doesnt that sound like something deserving of eternal life in Heaven?”
Using the default calculus of men, sure. But based on the Bible, a thousand times NO.
There is ONE and only one way to be saved and it has zero to do with our merit. The Bible says that even our best is tainted with sin. In other words, our prayers, charity, and even our worship are tainted by sin. According to the Bible, what we have earned based on our merit is death. (”The wages of sin is DEATH.”) Unbelievers will be judged according to their works. Thankfully, believers don’t get what they have earned. By God’s mercy and grace they are viewed as perfectly righteous IN CHRIST. Now that is good news.
“It doesnt matter what Catholic doctrine is. It only matters what Scripture says”
You’re right. But Catholic doctrine and the Bible are the same, afterall it was Catholic scholars who determined what was divinely inspired scripture and the true word of God. It has always amazed me how protestants live and die by the word of the Catholic document known as the Holy Bible. The Catholic Church came before the Bible, not the other way around.
I’m not getting in to that debate. Suffice it to say I deny Catholic doctrine and the Bible are the same and I certainly disagree with your notion that Catholic scholars had anything to do with how the Bible came to be.
I urge you to read the Bible and search out the truth for yourself. If you ask, God will reveal Himself to you in His Word.
Good night and God bless.
Some of the words you write are indisputable, but I cannot agree with your conclusions because we have different theologies. Man is tainted by sin; he was perfectly created, yet is an imperfect creation! This great flaw results in physical, or worse, spiritual death. Physical death is only a process, a way to re-unite with the ultimate Godhead. In spiritual death the soul finally understands God, but can never transcend through the dark abyss and join with Him; they are separated for all eternity. That is Hell.
But just who is to spend life in Heaven?
If merely having faith in the words of the Bible and receiving God’s Mercy and Grace alone is the only way to salvation, I must disagree. We are made in God’s image; we are his children. Children separate from their parents, though they are welcomed home. That is why we already have Mercy and Grace. God loves his children, and wants all of us to return to him, not just the chosen elect.
The Gospels are an essential part of reaching Him, but we were created with the spark of the divine. We have the power of prayer and insight. We are capable of feeling true human love (agape) and can do so by giving of ourselves selflessly to others and expecting nothing in return. That is, we must try to live as Christ-like as possible. Undoubtedly, we are not Christ, but His works are part of the path to eternal life. Give without expecting to receive, comfort the sick, teach true compassion (forgive past wrongs and tell others to go and sin no more), aid those weaker than you, and if you must, die to save an innocent life. That’s what Christ did.
This mother a was Catholic, not an “unbeliever” and followed Christ’s example. She already had Grace long before that.
But what better demonstation of faith is there then wonderful acts such as this? "By their fruits ye shall know them".
1 John 4
On Denying the Incarnation
4 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
We confess at ever Sunday Mass!
Confession of Faith in Jesus Christ!
The Nicene Creed
Matthew 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.
Luke 12:8 "I tell you, whoever acknowledges me before men, the Son of Man will also acknowledge him before the angels of God.
Acts 2:24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.
Acts 16:31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." Romans 4:24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness--for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.
Romans 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 14:9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
1 Corinthians 12:3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
1 Peter 1:21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God.
“You know I wasnt referring to Christ and His work on the cross. I know you can distinguish between acts of mercy performed by a sinner and the death of the King of Kings...”
Claiming you KNOW what I was thinking is a form of “making it personal” according to the moderators. That’s a violation of the rules. I suggest you don’t do that.
“Um, one of the posts before mine the person said something about her enjoying eternal life. In other words he presumed she was saved.”
He may have been presuming it, but if he was, he was doing so based upon her faith and her demonstration of that saving faith. You, however, made presumptuous comments based upon nothing apparently other than your own presumption. Your presumptions were certainly not based upon the facts given about the woman, her faith or her actions based on her faith.
“Thats what I was responding to. I see the same type presumption everytime someone dies. I always hope they are correct in their presumption, just as I do in this instance. Based on the authority of Scripture, I can say with certainty that there is nothing WE CAN DO, even dying for a child, to secure salvation.”
You’re still wrong. We can still have faith. That is something we can do. Christ does all of the heavy lifting, but if we don’t choose to have faith then we have a problem.
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