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"Go and sin no more"...being born again and real salvation means no more sinning.
Youtube ^ | 07/12/12 | fabian

Posted on 07/12/2012 10:33:02 AM PDT by fabian

There is a power and technique that the church has missed. The quiet stillness where real salvation is gifted to us effortlessly is real prayer. Please find it so we can all fight for our nation and right much more effectively!


TOPICS: Apologetics; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: apostasy; bornagain; redemption; roymasters; salvation; sinning; wayofthemaster
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It's a short four minute video...
1 posted on 07/12/2012 10:33:13 AM PDT by fabian
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To: fabian

Here is the video!
http://youtu.be/GH4jYtkUJdU


2 posted on 07/12/2012 10:41:42 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian
There is a power and technique that the church has missed. The quiet stillness where real salvation is gifted to us effortlessly is real prayer. Please find it so we can all fight for our nation and right much more effectively!

Tell Roy Masters, at the Foundation for Human Understanding, that we all said "hi"!

3 posted on 07/12/2012 10:41:42 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2898271/posts?page=119#119)
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To: Alex Murphy

ok...why don’t you check in with him? He is broadcast every night at 9-11pm all over the nation.


4 posted on 07/12/2012 10:43:13 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

bump!


5 posted on 07/12/2012 10:47:28 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

Sorry feel asleep in the first thirty seconds..... the droning was just too much.


6 posted on 07/12/2012 10:57:04 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: fabian

We are all fallen, and incapable of “sinning no more”.

This is why we require repeated repentance and forgiveness, along with continual prayer.

To provide the strength and the grace to do better.

Knowing we will always fall short.

Know anybody who hasn’t sinned in the last year?
ya...me either...


7 posted on 07/12/2012 11:12:37 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: Nifster

wow..you have some patience there!


8 posted on 07/12/2012 11:29:37 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: G Larry

Yes I do know someone...more than one, people that do not sin. It is actually easy, once you are really born again. The very nature of being born again is to no longer have the compulsion to sin. Anything short of that is diminishing the very real power of the holy spirit and is a mistake!


9 posted on 07/12/2012 11:32:01 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: G Larry

There has been only one man without sin... and they crucified HIM and HE rose from the dead... to save our eternal souls. JESUS is my Lord... I belong to HIM... but I am human and I must strive to keep HIS tenants... but I am neither perfect nor am I without sin. Neither are any of you... to claim yourself as such... is a sin.

LLS


10 posted on 07/12/2012 11:35:07 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: fabian

You call God a liar by making a statement like that.


11 posted on 07/12/2012 11:39:29 AM PDT by Last of the Mohicans
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To: fabian
Yes I do know someone...more than one, people that do not sin. It is actually easy, once you are really born again. The very nature of being born again is to no longer have the compulsion to sin. Anything short of that is diminishing the very real power of the holy spirit and is a mistake!

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. - 1John1:7-8 KJV

12 posted on 07/12/2012 11:43:44 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: tx_eggman

What John means is obviously ALL have sinned and are in need of being saved. Sin is in us, but once the born agian experience happens, that is it! You guys use translation of certain scripture to justify sinning and shame on you!
Can you imagine the apostles still sinning after they were filled with the spirit? Of course not!


13 posted on 07/12/2012 11:53:30 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Last of the Mohicans

No, you are calling yourself a liar..but do not know it, so I am not mad at you for it! Obviously all have sinned...but sinning is remedied upon salvation. All else is affirmative action salvation and is not real!


14 posted on 07/12/2012 11:55:21 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

Go and sin no more is a new mindset that God wishes us to adopt. Yearn for the things above, yearn for a sinless life which will be pleasing to our Savior, but as others have said we will accomplish perfectly in our fallen nature.


15 posted on 07/12/2012 11:58:04 AM PDT by kingcanuteus
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To: fabian

You are deceived. You sin. Everyone you know sins.


16 posted on 07/12/2012 12:02:16 PM PDT by DManA
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To: fabian

So you know people who know longer sin. Interesting. And just how do you know this?


17 posted on 07/12/2012 12:10:34 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: fabian

You are imposing onto God our own limitation.

We exist in time. God does not. That has real implications.

For us A follows B follow C follows D. God is above that.

To God Sin sin saved sin sin is exactly the same as
sin sin sin sin saved.

Jesus said “It is finished.”. And then 2000 years of sinning went on. Did Jesus lie? Not from his point of view.


18 posted on 07/12/2012 12:12:59 PM PDT by DManA
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To: G Larry
Spot on.

Matthew 18:21: Lord, how many times must I forgive my brother when he sins against me?

The Lord's answer: 70 x 7.

That's 70 * 70 * 70 * 70 * 70. My calculator doesn't go that high, so forgiveness must be limitless since we're human, fallible and incapable of NOT sinning. (I know I'm sure not.)

19 posted on 07/12/2012 12:14:30 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: tx_eggman; fabian
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. - 1 John1:7-8 KJV

And in the very next chapter it would appear that the Apostle John directly contradicts himself if we are to take your understanding of the verses you posted:

1 John 2:1-11

1. My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2. And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

7. Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

8. Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.

9. He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

10. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

11. But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
20 posted on 07/12/2012 12:24:32 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: tx_eggman; fabian
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. - 1John1:7-8 KJV

Furthermore, the Apostle Paul accurately describes the condition of a man still living in his sins but struggling with them in Romans Chapter 7, however, Romans Chapter 8 describes the condition of a man who has repented and believed the gospel unto salvation. Chapter 8 of Romans clearly states that a man who has received God's spirit no longer walks after the flesh(sin).

Romans 8:1-16

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
21 posted on 07/12/2012 12:37:43 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: fabian

The only perfect one I have ever known is The Master..... I am not Him.


22 posted on 07/12/2012 12:50:34 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: fabian

Ummm....so according to your understanding of salvation, the Apostle Paul was not saved.

Otherwise how do you explain Romans 7:15?


23 posted on 07/12/2012 12:54:51 PM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: fabian
(( but our sins are covered by His sacrifice so come judgement day it will be as though we've not sinned since that day ))

peace be with you

; )

24 posted on 07/12/2012 1:02:16 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: The Unknown Republican; fabian
Otherwise how do you explain Romans 7:15?

Quite simply, Romans Chapter 7 describes the plight and condition of a man becoming aware of his sinfulness as God seeds his life and then earnestly struggling against that sin with all his might, with the emphasis on his human might, until he grows weary and understands that he cannot change any of the sinfulness of his life that he is undone and he needs a savior.

In order to truly understand in context Romans Chapter 7, you have to read Romans chapter 8:1-16 as those scripture verses show that this same man now turns to Christ as his Savior and believes the Gospel and submits to Gods plan of salvation. As Romans Chapter 8 shows, that man who was once struggling with his sin is now free of that struggle because the Grace of God has no taken over and control of his life and God seals this Change of the heart of this sinner with a witness of his Holy Spirit to his spirit that he is a child of God.

This is the real power of the Gospel, both the forgiveness and the power to sin no more as long as we remain by faith trusting in Jesus Christ. Without this, our Christianity is nothing more than a mere religion no better than any other religion. With this, the promise contained in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is attained, the salvation of men's soul.


Romans 8:1-16

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
25 posted on 07/12/2012 5:42:28 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: G Larry
Know anybody who hasn’t sinned in the last year?

In the last week??? In the last day???

26 posted on 07/12/2012 5:52:03 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: fabian

“What John means is obviously ALL have sinned and are in need of being saved. Sin is in us, but once the born agian experience happens, that is it!”

~ ~ ~

Jesus to a Protestant messenger

April 1, 2012

For too many have listened to the lies told by the false shepherds and prophets. They speak of how you each are already cleansed and adorned in righteousness simply by your belief on My name. These are all lies, My people. For does not My word say that he who does righteousness is righteous? Yes, My people, you are made righteous by your faith in Me, but it is fulfilled by your obedience to My voice. It IS NOT imputed to you by a one-time confession of My name.


27 posted on 07/12/2012 5:53:34 PM PDT by stpio
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To: fabian
Yes I do know someone...more than one, people that do not sin. It is actually easy, once you are really born again. The very nature of being born again is to no longer have the compulsion to sin. Anything short of that is diminishing the very real power of the holy spirit and is a mistake!

The Apostles could have learned from your friends...

So let's see...We can believe you or the fella on the video, or, we can believe the Apostle John...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Guess who I am going to go with...

28 posted on 07/12/2012 5:57:31 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: fabian; G Larry
Yes I do know someone...more than one, people that do not sin. It is actually easy, once you are really born again.

Really??? I sure would like to know how they can stop coveting a new house, a car, a job promotion, etc. I find that if I'm really truthful with myself, I'm constantly sinning and need the Savior to help guide me past the evil intents of my heart.

Perhaps our Lord Jesus told people to go and sin no more simply to show an expression of graditude to God who redeemed us and pray not to sin to recognize our dependence on Christ.

29 posted on 07/12/2012 5:58:16 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: fabian
What John means is obviously ALL have sinned and are in need of being saved.

No, John means what he said...Paul already told us that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God...We already knew that...

Romans 7 has a little bit to say about it...As well as the rest of the NT...

30 posted on 07/12/2012 6:13:54 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: Iscool

You are complelety misreading your bible. And Jesus was not joking when he told Mary to go and sin no more.


31 posted on 07/12/2012 6:53:42 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Iscool

You are complelety misreading your bible. And Jesus was not joking when he told Mary to go and sin no more.


32 posted on 07/12/2012 6:53:51 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: DManA

Sorry...but that is one big excuse. You guys have no idea, it seems, how easy it is to no longer sin once all of the bad spirits are vacated by means of salvation. It actually is not possible to sin once God seals you into his family. You do not know the real power of the spirit.


33 posted on 07/12/2012 6:59:27 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: DManA

Sorry...but that is one big excuse. You guys have no idea, it seems, how easy it is to no longer sin once all of the bad spirits are vacated by means of salvation. It actually is not possible to sin once God seals you into his family. You do not know the real power of the spirit.


34 posted on 07/12/2012 6:59:37 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: DManA

Sorry...but that is one big excuse. You guys have no idea, it seems, how easy it is to no longer sin once all of the bad spirits are vacated by means of salvation. It actually is not possible to sin once God seals you into his family. You do not know the real power of the spirit.


35 posted on 07/12/2012 6:59:46 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: HarleyD

Actually once you really love God more than anything in life, it is natural to not covet anything.


36 posted on 07/12/2012 7:03:32 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: HarleyD

Actually once you really love God more than anything in life, it is natural to not covet anything.


37 posted on 07/12/2012 7:03:47 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

I forgive you for that.


38 posted on 07/12/2012 7:15:20 PM PDT by DManA
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To: stpio
It IS NOT imputed to you by a one-time confession of My name.

It IS imputed and not just by a confession, but the confession is the result of a change of heart...The confession while public or private, is all it takes...

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Now there's some beautiful scripture...

Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

39 posted on 07/12/2012 7:24:42 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: fabian
You are complelety misreading your bible.

I don't think so...

And Jesus was not joking when he told Mary to go and sin no more.

And that's very good advice but there is no indication one way or another that the woman heeded the advice...

40 posted on 07/12/2012 7:28:15 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: fabian; Sirius Lee; lilycicero; MaryLou1; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; ...
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled "Go and sin no more"...being born again and real salvation means no more sinning., fabian wrote:
It actually is not possible to sin once God seals you into his family. You do not know the real power of the spirit.
What odd sect teaches this stuff?
41 posted on 07/12/2012 7:36:35 PM PDT by narses
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To: Iscool

Doesn’t matter...he never would have commanded the it for all to read if it were not attainable! That is commonsense.


42 posted on 07/12/2012 7:51:07 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Iscool

in the last ten minutes?


43 posted on 07/12/2012 8:24:11 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: narses
It actually is not possible to sin once God seals you into his family. You do not know the real power of the spirit.

What odd sect teaches this stuff?

One who believes that God is the wielder of the almighty Baggie;

rather than the wielder of the almighty markmaker:


44 posted on 07/12/2012 8:47:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: fabian
An except from a book...”Three Free Sins” By Steve Brown (copyright 2012, Howard Books)
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A number of years ago, I spoke at a missions conference for religious leaders. God- who obviously thought it was funny- put me at the dinner table with one of the most uptight and angry men I've ever met. (Well, that may be an overstatement given that I've met a lot of uptight and angry people in my line of work. But he was certainly in the running.) When the conversation turned to the doctrine of entire sanctification, I worked really hard to be civil. (Entire sanctification is the doctrine that says a Christian can reach a place in his or her own life where there is no longer any known sin.)

But then the man claimed the experience of entire sanctification for himself.

I said something quite profound: “You've got to be kidding!”

“No,” he replied. “I'm not kidding. Holiness is never a kidding matter. God has granted me the victorious life, and I give Him all the glory.”
“What do you do with your pride?” I asked. “Seems to me that if you’ve won the medal for being the most humble man and you wear it, they should take it away. Isn't it kind of sinful to tell me that you're entirely sanctified? In fact, I think that if someone were entirely sanctified, he wouldn't even know it.”
I don't remember what he said, but I do remember that he was quite angry, and I didn't have to sit at the same table with him anymore because he avoided me the rest of the week. That made both of us happier.

I heard a couple of years later that he had left the ministry because of a moral failure.
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A sinless life...entire sanctification...is NOT possible. Anyone who says it is is deceived. It is a lie from the pit of Hell and it smells like smoke.

45 posted on 07/12/2012 8:51:09 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: hoagy62

no..what smells like smoke is you guys denying the very power of the holy spirit. The fact is that on Pentecost the apostles were filled with the spirit and at that very moment became powerful for the truth. They would not have had that if they had kept on back sliding into sin and that is why you weak Christians never really gain much ground. You deny the very fact of real power over sin that God has granted us!


46 posted on 07/12/2012 9:29:13 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

Once Save - Always Saved doesn’t work for humans because we all sin.

If we are not sinning any more, we are six feet under in a grave.


47 posted on 07/12/2012 9:57:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: The Unknown Republican

Not by Paul’s doing, but by God’s doing.


48 posted on 07/12/2012 9:59:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Isn’t there one person on this thread that no longer gets mad nor prideful? Those are the roots of all sins. Master patience and not sinning is easy!


49 posted on 07/13/2012 1:16:40 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: fabian

....Or do your very best efforts anyways.


50 posted on 07/13/2012 3:19:05 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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