The Elephant in the Room: Mitt’s Mormon Faith [Which is why one-third still don't know he's Lds]

ThyBlackMan.com ^ | July 10, 2012 | Kevin M. Jackson

[Colofornian]

(ThyBlackMan.com) If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright.

I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment given the lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the Mormon faith. I think that faith must be on the table since it was a factor in the previous election. Perhaps the reason it has not be raised is because the GOP leaders know that up to 25% of their base absolutely will not vote for a Mormon regardless of his credentials.

Let’s take a look at some of the beliefs of GOP Presidential Candidate, Mitt Romney Mormon’s faith. All of the information provided was taken from the Mormon Faith Tenets.

• The Mormon faith teaches that God the Father was initially a regular man who had a wife and they both lived on a celestial planet. They conceived and produced celestial offspring which gave birth to spirits that created Jesus, the devil and mankind. Once babies are born, they receive one of these spirits. (Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 page 265)
• Mormon’s believe that members who tithe 10% of their income will become gods of their own celestial planet.
• Mormons believe that the Book of Mormon is more accurate that the Christian Bible. (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461)
• Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are spirit brothers. (Mormon doctrine page 163)
• Mormons believe that Jesus return to New Jerusalem will be on the American Continent. (Mormon Article of Faith #10)
• Mormons believe that the gospel will be propagated through the Book of Mormon, not the bible. (Doctrines and Covenants section 10)
• Mormons believe in baptizing the dead by proxy.
• The Mormon church has a very disappointing past of allowing blacks to become clergy men.

According a Christian Post article,” What do Mormons Believe? Ex-Mormon speaks out, October 18, 2011 by reporter Devenish the following items were cited about Mormon beliefs:

• Mormons do not believe in the trinity.
• Mormons do not believe in grace.
• Mormons do not believe in the original sin of man. According to the article, you cannot sin until the age of eight.
• Mormons do not believe in hell.
• Mormons believe that you can own your own planet if you are a good Mormon, married in the temple and tithe.
• The ten tribes of Israel will return back to Missouri.

I took the time to itemize some of the different beliefs that Mitt Romney believes in to show that he is not a perfect candidate just because he seemingly names the name of Christ. We have to be careful with the Trojan Horses the GOP sends our way in the name of religion.

I challenge all of the African American pastors to consider if they want to vote for someone who believes totally different from what they preach every Sunday. If you can vote for Mitt Romney with a clear conscience knowing his religious beliefs, his insensitive policies that do not benefit the African American community then go for it. If you have reservations, then you must consider our current commander and chief.

Staff Writer; Kevin M. Jackson

[P-Marlowe]

[False: mormons believe in 3 separate beings in what they call the God Head: God, The Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. a slightly different interpretation of the Trinity than other Christian faiths.]

Slightly different? No entirely different. Mormons believe the "Trinity" consists of three separate and distinct Gods. That is not the Trinity.

* Mormons do not believe in the original sin of man. [False: mormons believe that Christ atoned for all our sins, including Adam’s, and as it says in the Bible, suffer little children to come unto me as such is the Kingdom of Heaven]

Have you even bothered to read your Church's Articles of Faith. The LDS Articles of Faith clearly deny the doctrine of Original Sin.

* Mormons do not believe in grace. [False: mormons absolutely believe that it is only through the atoning grace of our Good Lord that mankind is saved.]

Mormons believe in Salvation by works. The Mormon doctrine of grace is as follows: "We Are Saved by Grace, after All We Can Do"

The writer of this article needs to get his facts straight by talking to a mormon before repeating what other non- or ex-mormons may have said or written.

Mormons have a tendency to misrepresent their own doctrines.

Tell the truth, IWONDR, do you aspire to someday "High to Kolob" and be exalted to the position of being a God, like Your Heavenly Father once did?

[Graybeard58]

Romney is a right of center Republican

You lost me right there. Tell me that you're an "ABO" person but please don't try to tell me that Romney is "right of center".

We are losing our country to godless socialism and what does the GOP do? Run an abortionist/homosexualist statist whose socialist RomneyCare program was the blueprint and impetus for ObamaCare! I’ll vote for the GOP’s candidate for the presidency when they run a CONSERVATIVE!! Otherwise, The GOP is fast becoming cementing their place as part of the problem! Wake up America!!

No I will not vote for an abortionist for president. Period. It’s no secret. I’ve been posting that I will not vote for Rudy/Romney abortionist for many years.

Welcome to Free Republic, America’s exclusive site for God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservatives!

Romney does not qualify on any count!

I omitted a 2 word and a 4 word phrase from that, to comply with religion forum rules concerning profanity.

[SZonian]

Your attempt to mischaracterize the knowledge and experiences of ex-Mormons is noted. As an ex-Mormon, I embrace the opportunity to challenge your assertion that ex-Mormons are not to be considered a valid source of information as it relates to Mormonism.

Mormons may "believe" in alot of things. I won't debate what a person "believes" since, as I've learned in discussions with many Mormons, it all falls back to their "interpretations" and burning bosoms instead of being like a Berean and searching the Bible for the answers.

However...what Mormonism "teaches" is entirely up for debate and that will be the position I take. Let's start with some basics...

The Bible:

Jesus answered, “The foremost [commandment] is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;” (Mark 12:29)

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Mormonism:

“the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was” (D&C 121:32)

The Gods plan the creation of the earth and all life thereon” (PoGP:Abraham 4:Heading)

“And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.” (PoGP:Abraham 4:1)

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The Bible:

“God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)

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Mormonism

“The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.” (D&C 130:22)

This is the way our Heavenly Father became God. Joseph Smith taught: 'It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God. . . . He was once a man like us; . . . God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth... (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-46).”8

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The Bible:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1:1-3)

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Mormonism

“Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21), so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26).”

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The Bible:

“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, In order that you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.” (Isaiah 43:10)

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Mormonism

“If we prove faithful to the Lord, we will live in the highest degree of the celestial kingdom of heaven. We will become exalted, just like our Heavenly Father. Exaltation is the greatest gift that Heavenly Father can give his children (see D&C 14:7).”

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The Bible

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: >>>>

Mormonism (JS himself)

"...and every man who has a friend in the eternal world can save him..." Joseph Smith, King Follet's discourse.

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[svcw]

Oh, how very sweet of you.
You say Colofornian is boring, yet here you are boring all of us with this boring response to a thread, rather than just boring other people on the other dozens and dozens of threads you could be boring people on.
Wait, I have an idea, why not make this thread not boring by adding to it, rather than boring us with your boring comment.

[SZonian]

Yes ej,

Numerous Mormons have previously argued that the Trinity was a man made concept since it couldn’t be found in the Bible. Ergo, it was a false concept.

Now we have a Mormon telling us, yes, but a different interpretation.

Which is it?

[ravenwolf]

(ThyBlackMan.com) If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright.

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You are evidently referring to other news than what we get here on Free Republic, because it appears that the bashing of Romney and Mormonism is about all we get here.

I do not hold to Mormonism any more than i do any other false doctrine from many other Churches, just saying that i see a lot about Romney and Mormonism here.

[greyfoxx39]

I don’t see any of that as one whit stranger than virgin birth, bodily ascent into heaven, the resurrection of the dead, talking snakes, burning bushes, or separating seas.

So, what is your chosen religion that doesn't fit your list?

[SZonian]

Challenging Mormonism’s assertions and teachings is not “bashing”.

If the Mormons can still print in their scriptures (First Vision) that ALL of Christianity is corrupt, apostate, whores of Babylon, etc., then why can’t Christians challenge them based on this?

Religion Forum, discussions on religion happen here.

[Religion Moderator]

Your attempt to

Attributing motive is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[SZonian]

I challenge (criticize) the teachings of another “belief” since it still currently alleges that my “belief” is corrupt, apostate and related to the Whore of Bablyon.

Refuting and rebutting current Mormon teachings is a valid exercise for true believing Christians since the Mormons still teach and “believe” the above.

[svcw]

Oh, honey.
Just because you are boring doesn’t in anyway mean I hate you, I am so sorry you think that.

[norwaypinesavage]

Tell me that you're an "ABO" person"

I'm not an ABO person. I proudly support Romney for President. I am a God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservative.

[SZonian]

".....before repeating what other non- or ex-mormons may have said or written....."

I called it like I saw it,

but wilco.

"The attempt..." then?

Thanks,

SZ

[Cronos]

sorry, but right now,for me, he's not Obama

That's his only selling point and why I'll vote for him, UNLESS, UNLESS Obama drops or Sarah Palin or some other REAL conservative is the nominee. But if none of those happens, then Mitt's the lesser evil.

[greyfoxx39]

I do not hold to Mormonism any more than i do any other false doctrine from many other Churches, just saying that i see a lot about Romney and Mormonism here.

FR is an equal opportunity website. Mormons are free to post their doctrine and beliefs here and defend against the pro-Christian posts.

As far as proselytization goes, read my tagline.

[Cronos]

rather a Mormon flip-flopper than Obama the magic moslem.

If there is an alternative to M&O, you can bet that v, i and I will dump him immediately as will everyone else. But there isn't any alternative so far..

[svcw]

Romney is a right of center Republican

I would have never thought that support of homosexuality agenda, abortion, man made global warming, government mandates, government health care, higher taxes, big government, criticism of Reagan, bashing of the Tea Party, working to destroy conservative candidates with lies and distortions - right of center.

[ravenwolf]

The (lds) grace is not grace at all if one has to work for salvation, Grace is a free gift.

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I have no argument with you, as i have said i don,t know any thing, this has nothing to do with this religion or that one but just about our understanding of the free gift.

If i told my son to carry in the wood and i would give him a dollar for the movie, he did not work for the dollar, it was a gift.

Because it was his job to carry in the wood to begin with, as he is not a pet or a play thing, and it is his responsibility to do his share.

If he refuses to bring in the wood he does not go to the movie, if he goes to the movie it is a gift.

Jesus tells us to do unto others as we would have them do unto us, if we refuse to do that ( and really that is about all he asks ) do we still get the free gift?

[ejonesie22]

I cannot see that as anything but contradictory. While I will support Mitt when the time comes as a conservative I cannot “proudly support” the man nor see how anyone with conservative principals can, the facts are too much in evidence to do so.

I would rather a person be ABO then being a ardent support of Mitt. That at least makes some sense from a conservative POV.

[ejonesie22]

Its both, its a dessert topping and a floor wax...

Like most LDS doctrine...

[TheRake]

First off, graybeard, I have contributed regularly in the past. Have been a monthly donor in the past. Apparently you didn’t read thus correctly. I explained why I stopped, hence I’ve contributed in the past.

My character, you don’t even know me. I am a church goer and attend a catholic church. When I found out my contributions were inadvertently going to groups nationally, I spoke my peace to the church. I told them I would not be giving until that changed and would be giving funds only marked for local charities and saint Vincent shelter. Many other people had the same issue, and things changed. Apparently you want me to give my money up no matter what. I said what I said because I think the Romney hating has gone beyond what is right, by many posters on this site.

Again, questioning my character from one post, that you completely misunderstood. What does that say about your character?

[Religion Moderator]

Stop accusing other Freepers of hate on the Religion Forum. That is attributing motive. It is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

Click here for more guidelines to the Religion Forum.

[muir_redwoods]

What possible deficit in your upbring could provoke such a question? Can you provide any possible suggestion of significance to any answer I could make as regards the point I was making?

All religions, all, require one to accept elements of belief not necessarily reducible to reason. I have no objective problem accepting that Abraham intended to sacrifice his son. It requires faith to believe that Isaac was saved by divine intervention. Whether I am a Buddhist, a Baptist, a Hindu or a Jew matters not a bit in terms of the point made in the first sentence of this paragraph.

[Religion Moderator]

Or better still: “The mischaracterization of the knowledge and experiences of ex-Mormons is noted.”

[chris37]

I never clicked Relgion Forum once in the entire 4 years I’ve been a member here.

[ZX12R]

I'm not an ABO person. I proudly support Romney for President. I am a God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservative.

Personally, I think everyone should vote as they see fit, but by saying that you proudly support Romney, tells me that you are blind to the fact that he is absolutely nothing more than the epitome of the worst politician possible. He has no true values at all, or if he does, he has never voiced them. He merely adopts positions that will bring him an electoral win. He is nothing more than that. Vote for him if you wish, but consider it a horrible necessity, and certainly don't be proud of voting for him.

[ejonesie22]

Its both, its a dessert topping and a floor wax...

Like most LDS doctrine...

[muir_redwoods]

A generalization, subject to the short-comings of generalizations, is that all religions preach that other religions are wrong and will lead to damnation.

Polite people ignore the subject where it has no impact on them.

[Colofornian]

While I find most of the bullet points odd, at best, I don’t consider even one of them relevant when voting for a President of the United States.

(No, I suppose there's no discernment required of a POTUS, is there...no discernment needed in public policy or foreign policy...no discernment needed even in assessing a world religion as a threat ... Islam... gullibility...vulnerability to deception...all tossed to the wind as irrelevant, eh?) /sarc

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[greyfoxx39]

What possible deficit in your upbring could provoke such a question?

You posted a list of beliefs. I asked a question regarding your belief in response.

It appears that your response regarding my "deficit in upbring" is unwarranted.

[Colofornian]

All of the Mormons I know are fine, upstanding, scandal free, citizens. This makes me think Romney would make an outstanding president.

(Hey, if you're auditioning for godhood, yup, better be on your best behavior...And don't forget that God has something to do with the success of any given govt...what do you think he'll feel about voters voting for an idol competing for God's worship, glory, and reception of prayers?)

[svcw]

There are no conditions to the Gift of Grace.
However, because He loved us first, we are willing to serve Him because He was gracious and forgiving to us.

[svcw]

If you are giving your son a dollar to go to the movies as a gift, you give him the dollar without conditions.
If you want him to work for the dollar to get this pretend gift, it is not given freely by you, it is conditional.
God’s gift to us is unconditional.

[chris37]

Ok, thank you.

[Religion Moderator]

"possible deficit in your upbringing"

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[ravenwolf]

(ThyBlackMan.com) If you remember during the 2008 Presidential election, there was a strong effort to try to expose the faith of then Senator Obama. Many tried to label him an extremist because of his connection with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright.

I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment given the lack of knowledge that most Americans have about the Mormon faith.

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Challenging Mormonism’s assertions and teachings is not “bashing”.

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This has nothing to do with my comment except for the word bashing, you call it what you want and i will do the same.

My comment was in regards to what is written in the thread above, which is this.

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I am curious to know if Mitt Romney will receive the same type of treatment

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Since Romney and Mormonism is every where on these threads it seems to me he is getting the same kind of treatment or much worse.

[svcw]

All of the Mormons I know are fine, upstanding, scandal free, citizens.

Why how magnanimous of you to determinate what mormonISM is because you know a nice guy next door.

In general, people do not determine a particular belief system because of a few people, it appears that you may have chosen to do that, which of course is your right to do. However, what you see, in the lunch room or next door, is not necessarily what the truth of mormonISM is, just ask my mormon family.

[P-Marlowe]

But there isn't any alternative so far..

Prayer. And then be prepared to join in the GOP Mutiny. If we are going to steer the ship of state in the right direction we are going to need a new Captain. The Convention isn't done. We must DEMAND that Romney withdraw his name from the nomination and that he be replaced with a real honest conservative, not a phony knee jerk liberal who has no core convictions about anything other than his blood oath commitment to submit to the LDS Authority and his conviction that he will someday "high to Kolob" in his magic underwear and become a God like his Heavenly Father. (And you thought Scientology was weird).

Let the Mutiny begin.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“It’s tiresome frankly. For me personally, it is the single reason I’ve stopped contributing.”

Really. You can be stopped so easily?

[SZonian]

So one can be characterized as “impolite” if they don’t “ignore” it?

Hmmm, I think I’ll go with what the Bible has to vs. what others have to say on this topic...

Acts 20:28-31
New International Version (NIV)
28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.

[SZonian]

Much appreciated, thanks for your input and wisdom.

[muir_redwoods]

Was it not made personal when I was asked what my religion is? I feel my response was measured and restrained.

[ravenwolf]

If you are giving your son a dollar to go to the movies as a gift, you give him the dollar without conditions.
If you want him to work for the dollar to get this pretend gift, it is not given freely by you, it is conditional.
God’s gift to us is unconditional.

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Thanks for the reply, i see it that way as far as regarding the law is concerned but when i read the scripture on the sheep and the goats i start thinking about the faith that are shown by the works.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“I’m not an ABO person. I proudly support Romney for President. I am a God, Family, Country, Life & Liberty conservative. “

Ha! Great one :-)

I can only ask , which God are you referring to?
What has milt done for life? Other than pay to have it snuffed out?
What has milt done to protect liberty? Ever?
What has milt ever done to serve his country? Ever?

[muir_redwoods]

And the main point is that my personal beliefs have no bearing on the salient issue that all religions require belief in things not subject to rational examination. That’s the reason I find Romney’s religion and its tenets irrelevant to any political discussion. Why is that so difficult to accept?

[greyfoxx39]

Polite people ignore the subject where it has no impact on them.

IMO, questioning someone's "upbringing" is hardly polite.

The comments about Christians and Christianity by these mormon leaders are definitely not polite.

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"Christians— those poor, miserable priests brother Brigham was speaking about—some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth, and at the same time preaching righteousness to the children of men. The poor devils, they could not get up here and preach an oral discourse, to save themselves from hell; they are preaching their fathers' sermons —preaching sermons that were written a hundred years before they were born. ...You may get a Methodist priest to pour water on you, or sprinkle it on you, and baptize you face foremost, or lay you down the other way, and whatever mode you please, and you will be damned with your priest.

- Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, v. 5, p. 89


Prophet John Taylor (1808 - 1887):


"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 167

"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 10, p. 127

"What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225

"What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing... Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest fools; they know neither God nor the things of God."

- Prophet John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 225


Apostle Orson Pratt (1811 - 1881):


"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the ‘whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255

"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of Christian Churches ... But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance"

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of the pagan religion, adopting many of their ceremonies and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the pagans embraced Christianity and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostacy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion. This great and corrupt power is also represented by John as presenting a golden cup to the nations, full of all manner of filthiness and abominations.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 14, p. 346

“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be. They say, "We have built chapels unto the name of the Lord; we call our Churches Christian Churches, they are called the Church of Christ, St. John's Church, St. Paul's Church, St. Peter's Church, and after others of the ancient Apostles;" and one who had never studied the pattern which God has given of the Christian Church would almost really believe that they are Christian Churches. But there has been a long apostacy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance, and they are represented in the revelations of St. John as a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, having a golden cup in her hand, full of filthiness and abominations, full of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; that in her forehead there was a name written—"Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots." This kind of a church has existed in great abundance, for as John the Revelator says, she was to have her dominion upon many waters, and she was to make all nations drunken with the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, v. 18, p. 172

“Q. After the Church of Christ fled from earth to heaven, what was left? A. A set of wicked Apostates, murderers, and idolaters, who, after having made war with the saints, and overcome them, and destroyed them out of the earth, were left to follow the wicked imaginations of their own corrupt hearts, and to build up churches by human authority, and to follow after the cunning craftiness of uninspired men; having no Apostle, Prophet, or Revelator to inquire of God for them: and thus, because of wickedness, the Church, and Priesthood, and gifts, and ordinances and blessings of the everlasting Gospel, were taken from the earth, and reserved in heaven until the fulness of times, when it was predicted that they should again be restored among men to continue until the end should come.”

- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Chapter 16, p. 205


Prophet Wilford Woodruff (1807 - 1898):


"The Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called"

- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, v. 2, p. 196


Apostle George Q. Cannon (1827 - 1901):


"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon."

- Apostle George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, p. 324

Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46
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"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization [Christianity], founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13
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Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
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"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199
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"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 171

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The above comments have NOT been refuted by current mormon leadership.

[svcw]

And yet here you are today, on the Religion Forum. ;-)