From the article
: The question here is not whether individual Mormons are saved (a question we cannot answer) or whether the LDS Church is Christian in the sense that any group that professes faith in Christ (as Mormonism does) is part of the world religion known as Christianity. Rather, we are asking whether Mormonism is an authentic form of Christianity that teaches the essential truths of the gospel. To resolve this question, we need to compare carefully the basic doctrines of Mormonism with the basic doctrines of historic, biblical Christianity. To represent the Mormon position fairly and accurately, in addition to the Mormon scriptures (Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price), we have relied on several well-known Mormon doctrinal publications currently published by the LDS Church, including its official magazine Ensign
From the article: Mormons share some common beliefs and values with orthodox Christians. They believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose bodily from the grave. They are pro-life. We respect Mormons as good neighbors and good citizens. However, that respect should not keep us from recognizing the serious differences between Mormonism and historic Christianity. There are fundamental and irreconcilable differences between the two. The LDS Churchs founder, Joseph Smith, forced this issue when he claimed to be a prophet of God with new revelations that impugned the trustworthiness of the Bible, contradicted the teachings of historic Christianity, and claimed that only the LDS Church was the true church. Jesus Christ and his apostles specifically warned us about false prophets who would claim to speak in his name but who would teach another gospel (Matthew 7:15-23; 2 Corinthians 11:4, 13-15; Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Peter 2:1). As documented here, Mormonism teaches a radically different view of God, Christ, and salvation. It denies the validity of all churches except itself and all baptisms other than its own. Based on this evidence, we are convinced that Mormonism represents just such a counterfeit gospel. Mormons are free to believe as they choosea freedom we have no desire to infringeand to consider themselves to be the only true Christian church. By the same token, however, those who accept the historic Christian faith taught in the Bible have the freedom and responsibility to draw a clear line between authentic Christianity and the unbiblical religion of Mormonism.
The 10 evaluative comparisons done here -- where CURRENT Lds published teachings are included -- are on these 10 questions:
1. Is there more than one true God? (Lds say "yes")
2. Was God the Father once a man like us? (Lds say "yes")
3. Are Jesus, Satan, and all mankind spirit brothers? (Lds say "yes")
4. Was Jesus literally the physical offspring of Mary and God the Father? (Lds say "yes" -- tho some deny this and some Mormons may not believe it)
5. Was the fall of Adam and Eve a great blessing? (Surprisingly, this, too, is "official" and current Lds doctrine!)
6. Can we make ourselves worthy of Gods forgiveness? (This thought is littered thruout the writings of past Lds "prophets...and found in the Book of Mormon as well)
7. Does the atonement assure immortality for those who reject Christ? (Lds believe that resurrection is somehow always "positive" when the KJV book of John says there's a resurrection unto "damnation"...hardly a "degree of glory")
8. Are there scriptures more reliable than the Bible? (Notice that Joseph Smith said the Bible needed a rewrite from him personally -- and is the ONLY "scriptures" in their "Articles of Faith" that needs the "insofar as correctly translated" disclaimer)
9. Is the LDS Church the only true church? (Lds Doctrine & Covenants makes this claim)
10. Can humans become gods just like their Heavenly Father? (This is CURRENT Mormon teaching as well)
I dont know.
But as long as they aren’t imposing any of their beliefs on others or trying to engage in a Mormon Jihad by slicing up infidels, then I don’t really care.
It seems they are mostly about strange underwear, having really nice teeth, and making lots of money anyway.
posted on 06/19/2012 12:49:24 PM PDT
(If case you are wondering, I'm STILL supporting Newt.)
Since we have a Mormon running for President, I guess it justifies tearing apart the Mormon church? Did we do this with any other Presidential candidate? Why now? Or is it just some people attempting to pull Romney down?
posted on 06/19/2012 12:50:23 PM PDT
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posted on 06/19/2012 1:08:06 PM PDT
(This tagline for rent. Inquire within.)
Ya know something, I have probably argued with more mormans about their theology than you have, cuz of my age. I have debated with them, sent them copies of the “Golden Bible” and the “19th Wife”, et. al.
The problem that I have with posting in a political forum, is that mormon’s, although they are misguided, which I know they are, and know that they are wrong, when it concerns the Bible, the BOM and the DOC and the POGP are trash. If you don’t know the acronymns I will be happy to explain it.
However, They, on a whole, are upright citizens. They believe in family values more than most that call themselves “Christians”, and are more dedicated to their cause than most of the supposed conservatives I have been around. I am glad to debate with them, discourage them from what they believe, but always in a nice way.
But if anyone thinks that i will vote for a fascist-islamist over mitt romney, or hold my nose and not vote, you must be kidding.
I will not defend mormanism, for what they believe, but most of them I have met have been upstanding citizens. Which is more than I can say for most of the idiots that are allowed to vote.
I will vote for Romney. The rest of u can just not vote and let the islamic fascist to have another four years.
posted on 06/19/2012 1:10:04 PM PDT
Christianity has to be the stupidest pack of lies.
posted on 06/19/2012 1:16:04 PM PDT
(Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
Christianity has to be the stupidest pack of lies.
posted on 06/19/2012 1:16:38 PM PDT
(Don't take life so seriously, you won't live thnrough it anyway)
Single issue poster alert.
posted on 06/19/2012 2:53:04 PM PDT
thank you for not giving up!
posted on 06/19/2012 4:31:08 PM PDT
(I wont vote for a gay marriage marxist gun grabber, or vote for Obama, either)
A lot of scholars are better than I will ever be at fully understanding the doctrinal differences between Mormonism and Christianity. However, I am just adamantly opposed to what Mormons call “plural marriage” (polygamy) even when it’s kept “in the closet.” And, I think it would be a very bad thing for our culture if the election of a Mormon president led to these folks coming out of the closet about their bigamous lifestyles. Marriage should mean one man, one woman, particularly in the White House.
Homosexual activists are creating enormous cultural upheaval. We certainly don’t need to add sister wives to the mix.
posted on 06/19/2012 7:12:26 PM PDT
by Tau Food
(Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
Do MORMONs even LIKE 'christians'??
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
Orson Pratt , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
also said: "This great apostasy
commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196). 48
posted on 06/19/2012 9:18:28 PM PDT
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
answer: No. it’s a new religion.
posted on 06/20/2012 2:19:27 AM PDT
(**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
I'm Barack Hussein Obama and I approved this thread!
posted on 07/03/2012 10:00:09 PM PDT
(If I had a failed one-term President, he'd look like Obama.)
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