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The Spirit of God Has Departed from Creflo Dollar
The Christian Diarist ^ | June 10, 2012 | JP

Posted on 06/10/2012 11:09:12 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST

If there are certain sins so egregious they disqualify a pastor from continuing his ministry, Creflo Dollar committed such a sin this past Friday.

The founder and senior pastor of World Changers Church International, based in College Park,Ga., the front man for a national television ministry, Dollar was arrested and thrown in jail after going went medieval on his 15-year-old daughter.

According to his arrest record, Dollar choked his youngest daughter with both his hands, punched her, pushed her to the floor and beat her with a shoe. He was charged with battery, cruelty to children and family violence.

Yet, the pastor, already controversial for espousing the so-called “prosperity Gospel,” denies that the verbal argument he had with his teen-aged daughter, over a party she wanted to attend, ever escalated to domestic violence.

But the denial hasn’t come directly from Dollar himself, but from surrogates he has deployed to do damage control on his behalf.

Like Randi Garrett, a long time member of World Changers Church International.

She insisted that Dollar’s arrest is “just something that’s been blown out of proportion” and maintained that the pastor’s daughter is mistaken if she thought her father tried to do her bodily harm.

“Kids misconstrue things,” Garrett explained, “and they take them out of context.”

Meanwhile, Dollar’s attorney issued a statement in his name in which the pastor professed that he loves his kids, that he has their best interests at heart and that he would never raise his hand against them.

As to those of us who’ve previously borne no ill will toward the pastor, but would like him to explain what happened at his family home this past Friday, Dollar’s statement ruled that out. “The facts of this case will be handled privately,” it read.

Why so?

Well, the statement suggests, it’s not to spare the pastor further public embarrassment. Nor to avoid hard questions as to why he got so violent with his 15-year-old daughter that his 19-year-old daughter called the sheriff on him.

No, the father of five ain’t saying nothing, according to his statement, “to further protect his children.”

Well, I have no problem with Pastor Dollar taking that position with the godless media, with those outside the Body of Christ and even with those of us who are Christians, but are not members of his World Changers Church.

But the pastor absolutely owes a full explanation to faithful members of his megachurch, which boasts a congregation of 30,000, and to faithful followers of his “Changing Your World” television ministry. For the Scripture declares that “An overseer must be above reproach.”

Ultimately, of course, the fallen pastor needs to get right with God, Who first called Dollar to the pulpit, but Whose Spirit has obviously departed from the pastor.

For as Dollar himself has no doubt preached, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”


TOPICS: Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: church; creflodollar; domesticviolence; prosperitypastor
First, Bishop Eddie Long, pastor of a Georgia megachuch, accused of having sexual relations with several male members of his congregation.

Then Rev. Zachary Tims, pastor of an Orlando megachurch, exposed for having an affair with a stripper, found dead in a New York City hotel room with a white powder in his pocket.

Now Creflo Dollar, charged with physically abusing his teen-age daughter.

That is what happens when those called by God lose their anointing

1 posted on 06/10/2012 11:09:19 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Sad to hear of this.

I don’t much like televangelists (Charles Stanley being the major exception).

Pray for him and his daughter.


2 posted on 06/10/2012 11:13:27 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Dude’s a poser from the beginning.

I mean, his very name tells us what he’s about.


3 posted on 06/10/2012 11:15:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Dollar was arrested and thrown in jail after going went medieval on his 15-year-old daughter.

A little Obamanics creeping in?

4 posted on 06/10/2012 11:18:58 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

“The Spirit of God Has Departed from Creflo Dollar”

That sounds like a huge overstatment don’t you think?


5 posted on 06/10/2012 11:25:30 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

He’s only human, his girl could be lieing. Give the benefit of doubt till he’s charged and has a trial. God never leaves anyone. HE’S always there.


6 posted on 06/10/2012 11:26:30 AM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: sauropod

15 year old daughters can be very aggravating.


7 posted on 06/10/2012 11:27:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Well, Mr. Dollar, what you gonna name your son? Is he gonna be named somethin' like 'Change Fora' or something more traditional?

No, we're definitely not going traditional...Creflo is the name the Mrs and I have chosen. It's gonna be Creflo.

Creflo? You be kiddin'?

Nope. Creflo it be.

8 posted on 06/10/2012 11:29:25 AM PDT by JPG (Don't just talk about it, make it happen.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Who shall guard the guardians? It is a shame whenever a cult of personality overshadows the Gospel, because when the human fails, as he/she will, it damages the ministry most of all. The situation could have been saved by a press conference that said “I am human, I got angry, I failed, I pray for the forgiveness of my daughter, my friends, the church, and Jesus.” Pulling back inside the shell of false piety? You just killed your church, pal.


9 posted on 06/10/2012 11:37:18 AM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: Lazamataz

Every time I randomly happened upon one of his telecasts he was repeating the phrase ‘Now wait a minute....’ Apparently this is meant to convey some sort of conversational aspect to his sermons but it is clearly shtick and as such got old in about 30 sec.


10 posted on 06/10/2012 11:39:06 AM PDT by relictele (We are officially OUT of other people's money!)
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To: Lazamataz
Dude’s a poser from the beginning. I mean, his very name tells us what he’s about.

Three couples are in a bad wreck after a dinner party and end up at the Pearly Gates. St Peter tells the first man he will never enter Heaven because he is such a glutton, he married a woman named Candy. They leave. He tells the second man he is out because he worships money so much, he married a gal named Penny. They leave. Third man turns to his wife and says, "We might as well leave, too, Fanny."

11 posted on 06/10/2012 11:42:01 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Dollar was arrested and thrown in jail after going went medieval on his 15-year-old daughter.

Proof...

..read

much?

12 posted on 06/10/2012 11:59:08 AM PDT by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

I always refer to him as Creflo “send me your Dollars”


13 posted on 06/10/2012 12:03:21 PM PDT by pineybill
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Whether the daughters are lying or whether it’s he, it doesn’t look good for the reputation of that family. Either way things are out of control.

As a once-saved-always-saved “Cal-minian,” I think it’s putting it a bit extremely to say the spirit of God has simply gone from him — although he may well have sacrificed some special anointings and blessings by the way he may have carried on.

Did Rev. Dollar bestow that name on himself? Or was that his born name? If he didn’t choose it, there’s not much point in ragging on him about it.


14 posted on 06/10/2012 12:09:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: 50sDad

Either that, or if it was true a frank denial, but not this coy game. Oughtn’t it have been his attorney speaking rather than a church spokesman, if he is afraid to speak for fear of making his case look worse?


15 posted on 06/10/2012 12:12:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand

Who knows—maybe going ‘tribal’ on his rebellious daughter somehow saves her from greater ruin. A good dad would not allow his 15 year old daughter to attend a late night party. Bad things could happen there especially among the tribal kind.


16 posted on 06/10/2012 12:12:41 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: BenLurkin

“15 year old daughters can be very aggravating.”

I was one, I had one, you are right.

Don’t know about the strangling and shoe beating, but I had some sympathy for our friend Alec Baldwin in that phone call incident.

I remember listening to Sean Hannity deride him and I wanted to call in and say “your kids are still little and cute, I want to know what you think about this when your kids are 20”.

I, myself, was incorrigible. My daughter less so, but she had this little strategy she’d use, I called it building the wall of hostility. She’d start picking fights over any and every little thing. By the time Friday or Saturday would come and she’d want to go do something I wasn’t really keen on, she’d have me so ticked off with her that I wouldn’t even want to be bothered to argue about whatever it was.

I wised up to that after a while.

She turned out fine, in the end, but teenage girls are THE WORST.


17 posted on 06/10/2012 12:13:34 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: tflabo

The bible warns fathers not to provoke their children to anger; and before making such judgmental statements you might at least show you can read the story accurately. It does not say “tribal.”


18 posted on 06/10/2012 12:15:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: jocon307

Fight picking is a kind of bullying, and it’s sad no matter who initiates it. Frosty silence is about as good an answer to that as anything.


19 posted on 06/10/2012 12:17:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Oh loosen up....


20 posted on 06/10/2012 12:17:55 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: Lazamataz

Was he really born with that name?


21 posted on 06/10/2012 12:19:52 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: tflabo

Why, when you tighten up?


22 posted on 06/10/2012 12:24:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

The old proverb stands... You REAP what you SOW.


23 posted on 06/10/2012 12:27:18 PM PDT by BigFinn (The King is coming and He isn't riding a donkey this time.)
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To: heartwood

Both Wikipedia and his official Creflo Dollar Ministries biography do not get into that. The scandal referenced above is only 2 days old and already it got into Wikipedia; somebody’s watching.

Seems Dollar has some viable alternatives available: either confess it, or deny it if the facts are applicable. It’s a misdemeanor and he likely could easily plead out with probation. I don’t know, however, how you “misconstrue” a shoe. (Like it was really a stocking?) The dodging stinks worse, much worse, than the act.


24 posted on 06/10/2012 12:32:39 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Engaging in criminal acts is more accurate than “going medieval”.
Being evil, maybe.


25 posted on 06/10/2012 12:33:34 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Who has, or has not, lost the anointing is God's decision. He alone gives it. I, for one, will reserved judgment til I know more facts.

I will say that I know a story about a MAJOR "conservative" reporter who did a hit piece on Dollar and others and he deliberately and grossly lied about the, editing video footage which I myself saw to slander these men and women. I'll be happy to provide details in private. He was sued and had to settle for a massive amount, something reporters rarely do. So I am skeptical about any info put out by the drive-bys on televangelists and just as skeptical when Freepers are quick to insist that they know who does, and does not, have the anointing.

26 posted on 06/10/2012 12:34:41 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

So how do you “misconstrue” or “take out of context” somebody choking you and beating you with a shoe?


27 posted on 06/10/2012 12:40:08 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: LS

I would venture to say that a prosperity gospel is just plain baloney. You really have to stretch the Bible badly to get any apparent basis for it, and spirits not from God that do unbiblical things are very rife in the world.

Still, he must have gotten QUITE a smear job outside of the prosperity gospel problem if he, as a public figure, won a libel suit.


28 posted on 06/10/2012 12:42:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Another fraud bites the dust.


29 posted on 06/10/2012 12:43:11 PM PDT by mkjessup (Eternal Vigilance (aka FReeper Tom Hoefling) has my vote for President in 2012.)
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To: pineybill

I landed on his show one time in the middle of flipping channels. He was saying that it’s okay to tell God you want a new car, and it’s okay to tell Him you don’t want no piece of junk-—you want a Cadillac!


30 posted on 06/10/2012 12:43:18 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: jyro

As the Liberals have pointed out in the past, similar cases, ALWAYS believe the children. They never lie about something as important as this.


31 posted on 06/10/2012 12:47:01 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: jyro
His two girls could both be lying, you mean.

This was never a “he said” “she said” thing.
This is (at the very least) a “he said” “the alleged victim and a witness said” thing.

I do not believe it is reasonable not to accord a higher probability of veracity to the party that has a corroborating witness. Your mileage evidently varies.

32 posted on 06/10/2012 1:36:18 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: sauropod

Seems to me that his daughter wanted to go to a party at 1:00 AM. Am I wrong in this? Second his daughter is 15. She needed a good whooping. She needs to be sent to a residential school for girls.


33 posted on 06/10/2012 1:51:37 PM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST; DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; ...
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The YBPDLNPL is generally published infrequently, but based on the exploits of the megachurch pastors posts can spike for a period of time. If you would like on or off of this list please FReepmail me.


34 posted on 06/10/2012 1:58:01 PM PDT by Gamecock (I worked out with a dumbbell yesterday and I feel vigorous!)
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To: MrEdd

innocent till proven guilty


35 posted on 06/10/2012 3:52:02 PM PDT by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

First, I strongly, strongly disagree about how Biblical the prosperity gospel, buy that’s theology. The person in question was John Stossel, who falsely and, I think, deliberately edited tape to say something exactly the opposite of what the minister said.


36 posted on 06/10/2012 6:35:51 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

If you put your faith in a prosperity gospel you put your faith in a hunk of stinking baloney my pal.

The proper biblical reference point is Paul who knew either “how to abound” or “how to be in want” both equally for the sake of the Lord. Riches or poverty, neither are a sign in themselves of spiritual curses or blessing. Both if offered to the Lord can be blessed, and as long as the poor person does not steal he is actually in a more advantageous spot. God already has the wealth of the world; he doesn’t need a Christian’s check for a million dollars.


37 posted on 06/10/2012 7:55:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: rcofdayton

Without any facts your posturing position is horribly, horribly premature.

Surely it is possible to tell a child “Nonsense! No” without clobbering her with a shoe or condemning her to a reform school.


38 posted on 06/10/2012 7:57:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

My experience is that those who seek to lecture me on my faith are usually insecure inbtheir own I know that my faith works because it works. Now, I’m done responding to you and I am not your “pal.”


39 posted on 06/11/2012 3:12:11 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I do not fit into your “usually.” I have seen faith work mightily from the poverty and frugality end. Asking God for a car and then insisting it be no less than a new Cadillac?!? When that’s for nothing more than show?!? You sound like, er, “forces” are mixed into your religious system that you have not perceived yet.


40 posted on 06/11/2012 6:55:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
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To: jocon307
She turned out fine, in the end, but teenage girls are THE WORST.

I would have to really disagree with that. I have twin daughters who are now in their late 20's. (I also had 2 teenage boys at the same time.) The girls were great as teenagers - but they were also walking with the Lord. Many of their friends spent more time at our house than their own because they knew they were loved here and God's Truth dominated in our house. Many of these girls were not Christians at the time, but now a few of them are - to the praise and glory of God!

41 posted on 06/11/2012 7:58:33 AM PDT by lupie
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Go in peace.


42 posted on 06/11/2012 10:55:46 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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Is Creflo Dollar his real name?

Yes. He was named after his father, Creflo A. Dollar Sr.

http://www.creflodollarministries.org/About/FAQ.aspx

43 posted on 06/11/2012 2:49:00 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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