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To: Gamecock

“In general terms, exCatholics are very bitter.”

I agree, and understand why. Regardless of what the “study” says, 100% of the ex-Catholics I know left the Church to get married again after a divorce (in which they or the spouse wouldn’t qualify for marriage within the Church). They are bitter because they know in their heart of hearts that they are “playing church” when they go to a Protestant denomination to “play family”. Also, 80% of them never attend any church again after the faux-wedding.


4 posted on 05/17/2012 5:48:38 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

I stand corrected; 2% of the ex-Catholics I know are former priests who wanted to get married (and did). Only 98% wanted re-marriage after divorce.


5 posted on 05/17/2012 5:50:27 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

The very conservative Reformed church that i attend is filled with former Catholics... can’t think of any where divorce was the reason.


9 posted on 05/17/2012 6:02:16 PM PDT by bella1 (As it was in the days of Lot.....)
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To: kearnyirish2

Might broad brush there. My wife is a recovering Catholic, was never married, and she is not only NOT bitter, but one of the most loving people I know. She is our Church Secretary and is very active in the ladies ministry.


17 posted on 05/17/2012 6:17:18 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: kearnyirish2; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Regardless of what the “study” says, 100% of the ex-Catholics I know left the Church to get married again after a divorce (in which they or the spouse wouldn’t qualify for marriage within the Church). They are bitter because they know in their heart of hearts that they are “playing church” when they go to a Protestant denomination to “play family”.

I left the Catholic church years before I got married. The Catholic church's stance on divorce, remarriage, birth control, etc, had NOTHING whatsoever to do with it. It was because of theology, plain and simple.

I found that Catholic teaching did not line up with the clear teaching of Scripture in way too many areas.

20 posted on 05/17/2012 6:23:36 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: kearnyirish2

I have to completely disagree with you. I have a LOT of friends who are former Catholics, and they did not leave because of marriage. Almost all of them say that they started reading their Bibles and realized that the Catholic church did not adhere to its teachings.

I believe that in Mexico particularly, the Catholic church is losing a lot of members.

I am not Catholic, but do respect the Catholic church and its faith, if that’s where its members find Christ. But I know on this board the fruit of the Spirit is seldom ever in the responses from the Catholics, and it’s very sad. Often, sarcasm and put downs are the modus operendi.

You can only fix a problem if you dare see it for what it really is.

Because of Christ and Him alone!


21 posted on 05/17/2012 6:28:24 PM PDT by Country Gal (May your relationship with Christ be more important than your religion.)
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To: kearnyirish2

See actual stats from many known sources: here. The reality is that Roman Catholic churches covet evangelical converts in order enliven there overall dead pewsl My old priests used to exhorts us, “sing like Protestants.”

  • The Catholic population of the United States had fallen by nearly 400,000 in 2007, and suffered a slight membership loss in 2009 but increased 1.49 percent in 2010. [U.S. population growth rate in 2008 was 0.9 percent, and 0.57 percent in 2011.]. From 2007 to 2008 Roman Catholics grew from 17.33 percent of the global population to 17.4 percent in 2008. http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=5753 http://www.ncccusa.org/news/100204yearbook2010.html; http://www.ncccusa.org/news/110210yearbook2011.html

  • 2002 Statistics compiled by the U.S. bishops' Secretariat for Hispanic Affairs reported that 71 percent of the U.S. Catholic population growth since 1960 was due to Hispanics. The statistics are taken from U.S. Census reports and recent surveys of Hispanics. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_15_36/ai_59607715/pg_3/

  • 68% of those raised Roman Catholic still are Catholic (comparable with or better than the retention rates of other religious groups). 15% are now Protestant (9% evangelical); 14% are unaffiliated. Pew forum, Faith in Flux (April 27, 2009) http://pewforum.org/uploadedfiles/Topics/Religious_Affiliation/fullreport.pdf

  • 80% of adults who were raised Protestant are still Protestant. ^

  • Those who have left Catholicism outnumber those who have joined the Catholic Church by nearly a four-to-one margin. 10.1% have left the Catholic Church after having been raised Catholic, while only 2.6% of adults have become Catholic after having been raised in a different faith. ^

  • 4% of Americans raised Catholic are now unaffiliated; 5% are now Protestant. ^

  • Regarding reasons for leaving Catholicism, less than 30% of former Catholics agreed that the clergy sexual abuse scandal played a role in their departure. ^

  • 71% of Protestants converts from Catholicism said that their spiritual needs were not being met in Catholicism, with 78% of Evangelical Protestants concurring, versus 43% of those now unaffiliated. ^

  • 50% of all Protestants converts from Catholicism said they stooped believing in Catholicism's teachings overall. Only 23% (20% now evangelical) were unhappy about Catholicism's teachings on abortion/homosexuality (versus 46% of those now unaffiliated); 23% also expressed disagreement with teaching on divorce/remarriage; 16% (12% now evangelical) were dissatisfied with teachings on birth control, 70% said they found a religion the liked more in Protestantism.

  • 55% of evangelical converts from Catholicism cited dissatisfaction with Catholic teachings about the Bible was a reason for leaving Catholicism, with 46% saying the Catholic Church did not view the Bible literally enough.

  • 81% of all Protestant converts from Catholicism said they enjoyed the service and worship of Protestant faith as a reason for joining a Protestant denomination, with 62% of all Protestants and 74% Evangelicals also saying that they felt God's call to do so. ^

  • 42% of those now unaffiliated stated they do not believe in God, or most religious teaching. ^

  • 54% of “millennial generation” Catholics (born in 1982 or later) are Hispanics, while 39% are non-Hispanic whites. On the other hand, 76% of “pre-Vatican II generation” Catholics (born 1943 or earlier) are non-Hispanic whites, while 15% are Hispanics. Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) at Georgetown University, September, 2010 . http://www.osv.com/tabid/7621/itemid/6850/Openers-More-evidence-of-the-browning-of-US-Cat.aspx

  • 1,000 Mexicans left the Catholic Church every day between 2000 and 2010, a decline that has continued uninterrupted over the past 60 years, from 98.21 of the population to 83.9 percent today. Latin American Herald Tribune, March 10, 2011, based upon census data and study by sociologist and historian Roberto Blancarte of Colegio de Mexico and the National Autonomous University of Mexico

  • The percentage of of Protestants and Evangelicals rose from 1.28% in 1950 to close to 8% of the total population in 2010, (excluding so-called Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons). 5.2 million say they profess no religion. ^

  • This decline is seen as extending across the region (Catholics represent between 55% to 73% in Central America, 70% in Brazil, 50% in Cuba and Uruguay).^

  • Almost 20% of all Latino American Catholics have left the Roman Catholicism, with 23 percent of second-generation Latino Americans doing so. http://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/33304.pdf

  • 51% of Hispanic Evangelicals are converts, and 43% are former Catholics. 82% of Hispanics cite the desire for a more direct, personal experience with God as the main reason for adopting a new faith. Among those who have become evangelicals, 90% say it was a spiritual search for a more direct, personal experience with God was the main reason that drove their conversion. Negative views of Catholicism do not appear to be a major reason for their conversion. ^

  • The highest percentage of those who strongly agree they have a personal responsibility to share their faith was found among believers in Pentecostal/Foursquare churches (73%) http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/53

  • 81% of Pentecostal/Foursquare believers strongly agree that the Bible is totally accurate in all that it teaches , followed by 77% of Assemblies of God believers, and ending with 26% of Catholics and 22% of Episcopalians. ^

  • The percentage of Catholics who believed the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches declined from 34% in 1991 to 26% in 2011 http://www.barna.org/faith-spirituality/514-barna-study-of-religious-change-since-1991-shows-significant-changes-by-faith-group.

  • The typical Catholic person was 38% less likely than the average American to read the Bible; 67% less likely to attend a Sunday school class; 20% less likely to share their faith in Christ with someone who had different beliefs, donated about 17% less money to churches, and were 36% less likely to have an "active faith," defined as reading the Bible, praying and attending a church service during the prior week. Catholics were also significantly less likely to believe that the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches. 44% of Catholics claimed to be "absolutely committed" to their faith, compared to 54% of the entire adult population. However, Catholics were 16% more likely to attend a church service and 8% more likely to have prayed to God during the prior week than the average American. Barna Reaearch, 2007, “Catholics Have Become Mainstream America” http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/12-faithspirituality/100

  • 40% Roman Catholics vs. 41% Non-R.C. see abortion as "morally acceptable"; Sex between unmarried couples: 67% vs. 57%; Baby out of wedlock: 61% vs. 52%; Homosexual relations: 54% vs. 45%; Gambling: 72% vs. 59% http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/Catholics-Similar-Mainstream-Abortion-Stem-Cells.aspx

  • Committed Roman Catholics (church attendance weekly or almost) versus Non-R.C. faithful church goers (see the below as as morally acceptable): Abortion: 24% R.C. vs. 19% Non-R.C.; Sex between unmarried couples: 53% vs. 30%; Baby out of wedlock: 48% vs. 29%; Homosexual relations: 44% vs. 21%; Gambling: 67% vs. 40%; Divorce: 63 vs. 46% ^

  • 82% of Mainline Churches, 77% of Catholics and 53% of Evangelical Churches affirmed, "There is MORE than one true way to interpret the teachings of my religion." U.S. Religious landscape survey; Copyright © 2008 The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. http://religions.pewforum.org/comparisons#

  • Orthodox (29%), Mainline Churches (28%), and Catholics (27%) led Christian Churches in affirming that the Scriptures were written by men and were not the word of God, versus Historically Black Churches (9%), and Evangelical Churches (7%) who rightly affirm its full inspiration of God. ^

  • Catholics broke with their Church's teachings more than most other groups, with just six out of 10 Catholics affirming that God is "a person with whom people can have a relationship", and three in 10 describing God as an "impersonal force." 2008 The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. http://religions.pewforum.org/comparisons#

  • Only 33% of Catholics strongly affirmed that Christ was sinless on earth. http://www.barna.org/barna-update/article/5-barna-update/53

  • 88% of Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good Catholics. New York Times/CBS News poll, Apr. 21-23, 1994, subsample of 446 Catholics, MOE ± 5%


32 posted on 05/17/2012 8:55:11 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to forgive+save you,+live....)
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To: kearnyirish2
I agree, and understand why. Regardless of what the “study” says, 100% of the ex-Catholics I know left the Church

100% of the Catholics that I know who left the church...and I know at least 6 (including a nun)...left because they sought spiritual growth and a personal walk with Christ...and the Catholic Church wasn't giving that too them.

Do you really have to ask why people are leaving the church when only 12% of Catholics believe the Bible is literally true...when only 7% read their Bibles with any regularity...when only 17% think Satan is real...or only 9% believe that their most important relationship is between them and God?

Now...the numbers for Evangelicals and mainline protestants are not near what they should be...but you get some disgruntled Catholic with a hole in their heart who wasn't discipled very well (and believe me...with numbers like this...it AIN'T the people...you have a SYSTEMIC problem) and they will leave the church in a heartbeat for something they perceive as real.

105 posted on 05/19/2012 6:22:37 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: kearnyirish2

“They are bitter because they know in their heart of hearts that they are “playing church” when they go to a Protestant denomination to “play family”.”

Two words: Newt Gingrich.


132 posted on 05/19/2012 12:16:45 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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