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From the article: Murphy dug out an August 2007 radio interview Romney did with a Rush Limbaugh-esque political talk jock in Iowa, who, after goading Romney on his faith, turned the subject to Skousen. Romney gamely played along. He told radio host Jan Mickelson that he once took a class from Skousen at Brigham Young University, admitted that had not read much of Skousen, and agreed that Skousen's The Making of America might be "worth reading."

Per Tim Murphy: In Making of America, the textbook that Mickelson referenced in his conversation with Romney, Skousen quotes from an essay which argues that "one of the blessings of slavery" was that slaves' marriages were fleeting, and suggests that being bought at auction improved slaves' self worth. The real victims of slavery, the author suggested, were the white owners. The book also referred to black children as "pickaninnies"—which prompted lawmakers in California to block the text from being used in classrooms. In Skousen's book, the model Supreme Court decision was Dred Scott, which correctly demarcated the limits of federal power; Roger B. Taney, who wrote the majority opinion in that case, was the model Supreme Court justice. Although he didn't seem familiar with Making of America, Romney was almost certainly aware of his ex-professor's reputation. Skousen's academic colleagues began to push back against his teachings while Romney was still a student at BYU. As Alexander Zaitchik reported for Salon, some of Skousen's colleagues at BYU insisted on teaching his economic treatise, Naked Capitalism, which theorized that a global cabal of bankers was quietly controlling the world from behind the scenes. (Naked Capitalism was a sequel to Naked Communism, which argued that the Soviet Union was just a pawn in larger effort by the United Nations to control the world). Skousen's crackpot theories eventually drew the attention of the leaders of the Mormon church, who were determined to distance themselves from Skousen's sermonizing. The church, Zaitchik reported, issued a formal order instructing clergy not to promote Skousen's work (he had started an anti-Communist civics group called the Freeman Institute) from the pulpit, lest anyone get the wrong impression about the church's beliefs. Romney, a former Mormon bishop, would have had to have been living under a rock not to know about Skousen's conspiratorial reputation. After his heyday in the 1980s, Skousen faded into irrelevance, only to be resurrected at the dawn of the tea party era. Glenn Beck, who called Skousen's Five Thousand Year Leap "years ahead of its time," made its ideas the centerpiece of his 9/12 movement and wrote the foreword to a new edition of the book.

Source: Mitt Romney's Nutty Professor Meet W. Cleon Skousen: conspiracy theorist, slavery apologist, tea party icon. Mitt Romney says you should read him.

Well, allow me to be "succinct and clear" on some of Cleon Skousen's other beliefs (beyond communism) -- and Beck's tie to Skousen.

On the following FR thread -- How Mormonism Built Glenn Beck an excerpt from that article mentioned: A significant figure in this world is the late Cleon Skousen (1913–2006), the archconservative and fiercely anti-communist Brigham Young University professor, founder of the Freeman Society, and author of 15 books, including The Naked Capitalist, The Making of America, and Prophecy and Modern Times. Beck, who first cited Skousen in his 2003 book The Real America: Messages from the Heart and the Heartland, later started pitching Skousen’s 1981 book The 5,000 Year Leap on air in December, 2008. He wrote a preface for a new edition of the book issued a few months later and in his March 2009 kick-off of the 9/12 movement declared Skousen’s book to be “divinely inspired.”... Cleon Skousen was never remaindered among the most politically conservative Mormons, for whom he has been a household name since the 1960s.

So Beck was calling Skousen's book "divinely inspired" and Mitt Romney was also advocating on the air that one of Skousen's books was worth a read??? Do Beck and Romney know that Dr. Cleon Skousen declared that God could "cease to be God" if ever He lost the support of other gods???

Dr. Skousen: Through modern revelation we learn that the universe is filled with vast numbers of intelligence's, and we further learn that Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligence's honor and sustain Him as such...since God 'acquired' the honor and sustaining influence of 'all things' it follows as a corollary that if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or 'sense of justice' of these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the 'power' of God would disintegrate...'He would cease to be God'“ (The First 2,000 Years, pp. 355-356).

Romney, Beck & Skousen represent the Mormon belief, thereby, that God was once a man and "acquired" godhood; and that, you can do that, too. And that the Mormon god is part of a broader "council of gods" (Skousen's "intelligences" who "honor and sustain" that god as a "fellow god")

Do Romney and Beck believe Skousen's "pro-family" view on parenthood? (That parenthood = godhood???)

“Mortality made it possible for us to be endowed with the powers of procreation for the first time…The divine power of procreation is described by the Lord as being a fundamental quality of Godhood. In fact, eternal parenthood is Godhood” (The First 2000 Years, pp. 39-40).

To unpack Skousen, what's he saying here?
Perhaps you've seen the Lds bumper sticker, "Families are forever" Lds get that from Joseph Smith's Doctrine & Covenants D&C 132 re: "eternal (celestial) marriage."
Well Skousen used the same section --vv. 19-20 to teach eternal parenthood. (The thing is those verses also teach polygamy)
What did Skousen mean by his reference to "mortality" and "procreation for the first time"? Lds believe that by Adam & Eve sinning, it wasn't simply a "fall" -- it was a "fall upward" -- an event to be "celebrated." (see quote below) Why? Because they believe that it was only by mankind sinning that they could die -- becoming "mortal." And that by becoming "mortal" they could rise to godhood. (They get this in part from the Book of Mormon -- a phrase that reads, "Adam fell that men might be..." [it doesn't say be what...Mormons fill in the blank on that] Anyway, Skousen didn't believe that God made Eve able to reproduce until she fell; that falling was a good thing.

In this way, Mormons have the absolute wacky understanding that the world's evils were something the Mormon god wanted man to do:

The Lds church in one of its priesthood manuals calls the Fall a "Great Blessing" while one of its general authorities, "apostle" Dallin Oaks, wrote: "Some Christians condemn Eve for her act, concluding that she and her daughters are somehow flawed by it. Not the Latter-day Saints! Informed by revelation, we celebrate Eve's act and honor her with wisdom and courage in the great episode called the Fall." ("The Choice that Began Mortality" Liahona, 2002)

Only in Mormonism are wars, murders, hate, idolatry, racism, rape, incest, sexual abuse, lust, theft, and other consequences of the fall a blessing to be "celebrated."

1 posted on 05/04/2012 4:04:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
One well-worn option is to use his Mormonism to make Romney look fringe by connecting him to MORMONism!

LOOK 'fringe'?

Ha!

Even though Willard was BORN into MORMONism; by the time a person is into their 30's, and is STILL 'in' it; they OWN it and all that it has ever produced.

4 posted on 05/04/2012 4:35:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
This guy reminds me of Billy James Hargis.

He used to be big in anti-communist circles.

Way back before the Internet it usually wasn't possible to just call a commie a commie and walk away. Most people wouldn't understand what you'd said and you'd look like a kook. The 'solution" was to interpolate/interpret your anti-communism thesis in terms of a locally prevailing orthodoxy. So you had anti-commie Mormons, anti-commie Baptists, anti-commie Catholics, and so forth, and they'd have their spokesman and he'd say all sorts of things.

WIthin that mix you had OTHERS who'd use the anti-commie thing to peddle their own agenda.

Billie James probably fell into that last category although his "failings" are not easily classifiable.

He went away ~ but others took up the cudgle, and eventually America woke up, elected Kennedy, Nixon and Reagan (All well known anti-communist figures) and there we have it.

Simultaneously communications improved so there was less need for a single spokesman to push any sort of political philosophy, or to oppose one.

Recalling all that I quickly looked up Skousen to see if he had anything to do with Hargis, and lo and behold he did ~ and also Reverend Moon, etc. The whole crew ~ I gather Skousen was the Mormon version of all the other formal anti-commie speakers, if not leaders. There were similar techniques and so forth, and they communicated with each other.

To a degree it all worked.

The question now is whether or not Skousen is still relevant ~ and the Progressives attacking Romney on that point are missing the obvious ~ if Romney exists, Skousen failed!

But did Billie James Hargis?

Well Mitt wins one there ~ if Billie won him over in his final days in some way that's the last thing the Progressives are going to condemn.

6 posted on 05/04/2012 4:49:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Colofornian

101 Constitutional Questions To Ask Candidates
by W. Cleon Skousen

http://www.latterdayconservative.com/articles/101-constitutional-questions-to-ask-candidates/


7 posted on 05/04/2012 4:55:48 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Colofornian
A bridge too far.

Romney's Mormonism is a known quantity. It's his statism that people need to become aware of.

And busting on Cleon Skousen? He was just reflecting on the Mormon values at the time. Yeah, they were pro-slavery back then. So were some of my ancestors.

And, I think "The 5,000 Year Leap" is a great book. Does that make me a racist pro-slavery Mormon? No. Not any of the three.

You gotta extract the good, people. Find truth wherever you can, and discard the dross.

11 posted on 05/04/2012 5:37:24 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Colofornian
Typical of your THREE MINUTE'S HATE approach, you post a bunch of innuendo and smear from wacko sites that have little or no regard for the truth.

Shameful - and un-Christian.

25 posted on 05/04/2012 7:02:18 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Colofornian

I have far more concern about Obama’s Muslim upbringing and 20 years of listening to Rev. Wright’s racist theology than I do about Romney’s Mormonism.


27 posted on 05/04/2012 7:05:13 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Colofornian

Skousen was a John Bircher.


45 posted on 05/04/2012 10:54:11 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Colofornian
One thing that gets on my nerves is when Freepers quote from Skousen's book "The Naked Communist" and attribute the quote to the "Communist Manifesto".

Now I can point them to this post. THanks,

50 posted on 05/15/2012 5:11:55 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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