Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
So any of us if we die in a “state of sinning a sin not repented of”...though having been saved from sin prior....are still doomed for hell?
Your understanding of Roman Catholicism is accurate. It gives the believer no real sense of security or rest in Christ's finished work on the cross.
Instead, they must be on guard not to die while in a state of mortal sin, which is pretty constant from the moment they leave the confessional booth.
.the question of ones salvation then is unsettled this side of heaven, from what I'm understanding you are saying, rather we all continue to face fearful Judgment because there is no security of the believer even if they gave their life to Christ and accepted his atonement for their sins. If even one sin is not repented of we are doomed?
Exactly. Which is one reason Rome concocted the "mortal vs venial sin" pretense. Scripture doesn't break sin down into bad sin and badder sin. Scripture tells us anything not of faith is sin. Period. Therefore men require a Savior to be sacrificed to pay for sins that no man can pay for himself.
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." -- John 8:36 "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." -- 1 John 4:10
MarkBsnr wrote:
“Not for a believer. I believe, my friend. I believe in Scripture. It does not matter if Peter wrote 2 Peter or not. I’d like to know intellectually, but it does not make a difference if he did or not. The Church said that this is Scripture and for me it is so.”
Your belief would then appear to be similar to the “burning-in-the-bosom” faith that the Mormons so urge on all. It is a self-authenticating perception in the heart/mind of the individual entirely uninformed and unaffected by reality. Well, good luck with that.
He also wrote:
“The Nicene Creed stands far away from Scripture. Many of the elements of the Nicene Creed are not found in Scripture at all, and in fact, oppose the bulk of Scripture addressing it.”
Breath taking is the only phrase that comes to mind. “... not found in Scripture at all” and “oppose the bulk of Scripture.” Either your Nicene Creed is different from mine, your Bible is different from mine, or you are in a universe that I do not inhabit. Since I doubt whether either of the first two of the three possibilities is so, I am left to conclude, sadly, that it is the third. And, corollary to that, that it is pointless to continue any discussion with you. Are you even Catholic?
Mr. presently ...,
Go back and read what I said.
There was a bunch of purging, but please take this as heartfelt: I do not believe that you are a pansy poof. Some of your allies may be, but I do not believe that you are. Some of your allies are obviously not Christian but I believe that you are. So there: I accuse you of being a Christian non pansy poof. You wanna make something of it? :)
Not really. It is the Faith handed down from the Apostles to us.
Breath taking is the only phrase that comes to mind. “... not found in Scripture at all” and “oppose the bulk of Scripture.” Either your Nicene Creed is different from mine, your Bible is different from mine, or you are in a universe that I do not inhabit. Since I doubt whether either of the first two of the three possibilities is so, I am left to conclude, sadly, that it is the third. And, corollary to that, that it is pointless to continue any discussion with you. Are you even Catholic?
Yes. And when you have finished with your indignation, please inform me of the Trinitarian formula in your Bible. Chapter and verse, if you please.
And is it no different than the first question asked in Eden "Yea, hath God said...". It is still going on to this day, "yea, did Paul really write, which is no different than 'hath God said' since Paul, James, Peter, John and the others wrote what God inspired them to say. All Satan wants is a toe in the door, just the smallest entry point in order to wreak havoc and destruction and make shipwrecks of men's lives. All he is looking for is the ability to add doubt to God's word. Doubting the authorship of God's word is the first step in doubt about the content being ushered in.
I believe that God said what He means and means what He says, that we can trust God's ability to get His word to His people the way He wants us to get them and that He has provided us everything we need to know what He wants us to know about Himself, His plan for mankind, and just what He desires from us.
I did. Have a good night!
Sorry, I meant to say - I did but was too tired to respond. ;)
When one repents of their sin and turns to Christ, they are forgiven and obtain eternal life in Him.
That doesn’t mean that we don’t ever sin again. When we do, we confess it and ask forgiveness so that the relationship is unimpeded. But it doesn’t mean we lost the eternal life until we confess and ask forgiveness.
When your children disobey you, they don’t stop being your children. The relationship is disturbed until they confess and ask for forgiveness, but you’re not going to disown them for it.
When we are saved, Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us. God sees us through Christ. When we confess the sin in our lives, it frees God up to bless us and give us more insight to Him and we can grow closer to Him, but it has no affect on our eternal destiny.
That’s part of what the security of the believer that Catholics miss is about. Not that we can live a live of unrepentant sin and flaunt it and still expect to be saved, but that we can be sure we’re saved in spite of the sin in our lives that for some reason we haven’t confessed yet.
God has made it as easy as possible for us to be saved. He calls us. He died for us. He offers it as a free gift for the taking to whosoever will. He made it easy enough for a child to do. He empowers us. He determined the exact times and places where we should live so that we might seek Him and reach out for Him and find Him. He knows our frame that we are dust. He has compassion for us as a father has compassion for his children.
God is not going to damn someone who has trusted Christ because he slipped up somewhere. That puts salvation solidly in the works camp instead of grace and a free gift.
He is not going to offer us salvation as a free gift and then demand we pay for it.
Said differently than I would have said it, but I certainly have no disagreement with the substance of what you have said. Keep it up.
Thank you for your kind thoughts.
According to the RCC catechism...
1440 - Sin is before all else an offense against God, a rupture of communion with him. At the same time it damages communion with the Church. For this reason conversion entails both God's forgiveness and reconciliation with the Church, which are expressed and accomplished liturgically by the sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation.
So it's not enough that God forgives a sin. Sin is actually a rupture between the member and the Church, and forgiveness is "expressed and accomplished" by the "sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation."
Nothing about "showing repentance" directly to God. Everything about undergoing a sacrament administered by the RCC hierarchy.
Additionally, temporal/eternal consequences of sin. They're not the same thing.
We don’t earn salvation with them.
That old saw is tiresome, no practicing Catholic believes it and everytime I see someone use it I wonder how I'm expected to take anything they say seriously.
I'm curious about just who is this "we" that in "recent times" have discovered the misnaming of scripture authors. Who is currently doing research? What is being researched now that was not available when the books first came out? Is there a link?
What I can’t understand is if this thread is SOOOO distressing that they want it closed, why don’t they just quit posting to it? Stop reading it, stop replying to others’ posts, and before long we’ll be tired of talking to each other, we’ll move on too. It seems so simple!
Rabid clique types can’t seem to resist playing
SMACK A PRODDY HARSHLY
. . . all the more so when Proddys make points they can’t logically or Biblically deal with.
Amen.
And thus we know why Rome disparages the Scriptures so vociferously. The word of God denies their practices and beliefs.
Catholics are in bondage to the rules and regs that the Catholic church inflicts on them.
To me, the sacraments are gifts of great value.
I admire your patience, Dr. Eckleburg. But I do not think that arguing any Christian doctrine from the Scriptures with one who cannot even accept what the Scriptures say about their own authorship is going to go anywhere. You are arguing the material principle of Christian theology with someone who simply does not accept its formal principle ... as you manifestly do. As Jesus Himself said to the willfully blind Sadducees, He could also have said to all such who deny the plain, simple, and unambiguous sense of the Scriptures’ words, “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.” (Matthew 22:2)
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