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To: wagglebee
U-2012> If the shed Blood of the Lamb of G-d covers all of our sins, why do we need to go to some non-scriptual(sic) place ?

And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come. (Matthew 12:32)

What precisely is the "world to come" where sins are forgiven? There is no forgiveness in Hell, in Heaven everything has already been forgiven. So, what is this "world to come" that you dismiss as "non-scriptural"?

If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire. (1 Corinthians 3:15)

Where is the "non-scriptural place" where man shall be saved "as by fire"? There is no salvation in Hell and no flames of Hell in Heaven.

16 The Lord give mercy to the house of Onesiphorus: because he hath often refreshed me, and hath not been ashamed of my chain: 17 But when he was come to Rome, he carefully sought me, and found me. 18 The Lord grant unto him to find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou very well knowest. (2 Timothy 1:16-18)

Why is Saint Paul asking for others to pray that Onesiphorus find mercy? Onesiphorus is already dead, there is no mercy in Hell and no need for it in Heaven. And what is "that day" is there some future day of judgment for Onesiphorus?

My reading of Matthew 12:32 suggests that if you speak against
the Ru'ach HaKodesh you will never be receive forgiveness.
The addition of the phrase "nor in the world to come"
simply adds greater emphasis.

A clear reading of 1 Corinthians 3:15, the first clause describes the natural world.
The second clause is a metaphor describing the refining of silver or gold.
After heating the precious metal the dross rises to the top,
when it is removed one can see their reflection in the liquid.
Then when YHvH looks at His created being, he can see His own reflection.

In 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Paul is asking for YHvH's mercy for the living household.

The book of Macabees was never cited by Yah'shua or His Apostles.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
384 posted on 10/26/2009 9:30:38 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; NYer; narses; Petronski; Mad Dawg
The addition of the phrase "nor in the world to come" simply adds greater emphasis.

Wrong.

In 2 Timothy 1:16-18, Paul is asking for YHvH's mercy for the living household.

Wrong, verse 18 clearly talks about only Onesiphorus.

18 The Lord grant unto him to find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou very well knowest.

The book of Macabees was never cited by Yah'shua or His Apostles.

Can you provide citations where ALL of the Old Testament books were cited in the New Testament.

The Deutero-Canonical books were rejected by Protestants, they rejected them because the most Jews (who also rejected our Lord, Jesus Christ and the entire New Testament) rejected them.

395 posted on 10/26/2009 10:04:39 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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