Posted on 01/12/2009 6:18:36 AM PST by P-Marlowe
Theologically, from the outside, Christianity is seen as illogical.
(an old atheist argument, this is taken from a conversation between two people..)
Jesus Loves You... But if you don't accept him, you go to hell...
That's kind of a conditional love isn't it?
It isn't that Jesus wants you to go to hell, that's just the rules.
I suppose that means that Jesus isn't all powerful, if he doesn't want to send me to hell, he can choose not to..
Here is how it is, Jesus loves you, but his dad thinks you are a s***.
Oh, and by the way, Jesus is his own dad...
Sounds like there’s some sloppy confusion among Mormon speakers between God the Father and God the Son, more than an actual insistence that God the Father was once Man. After all, if God the Father was once Man, than who is God the Father’s creator?
Orthodox Christians (small o) insist that God the Son once BECAME Man, but always had a divine (uncreated) nature in adition to his human (created) nature. The Mormon problem is the belief that God the Son was once “mere” man, having no separate, divine nature. Thus orthodox Christians say God the Son had a created nature, even though he created all things. I THINK that the Mormons quoted are referring to the role as creator as “Father,” creating confusion between Jesus and YHWH by calling Jesus “Father.”
Most Mormons I know are fine, upstanding citizens. They are very family oriented. I don’t believe what they believe but I stand up for their right to believe it and leave the rest in God’s hands.
“...that he was once a man like us.”
Now we have to find out who turned this man into a god?
I'm sick of posts that attack people for their specific beliefs. "Catholics are wrong for believing such-and-such..." or "Mormons are crazy for believing so-and-so,..." or "Jehovah's Witnesses" are...etc, etc.
I'd like Free Republic to ban threads about any religion's specific beliefs.
Our nation is in serious, serious peril, and *this* kind of rubbish is the best thing you can come up with to talk about?? Free Republic should be above this sort of malicious anti-belief talk.
Thomas Jefferson said, "it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God . It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
If somebody throws a bomb because of their religious belief, then that's a legitimate topic. But to attack fellow Americans just because they have a belief that you don't share (no matter whether you think it's idiotic)...? That is petty, childish, and has no place on Free Republic.
I am hitting the "abuse" button on this one.
Two main points.
First as far as fighting for conservative values, I once thought that myself. But the sheer sychophatic (is that a word? well it is now) support for Romney betrayed all that. They went out of their way to paint him as something he wasn't all because he was a religious peer.
Secondly, and here is the big issue. In your analogy you mentioned Buddhist. The thing about them is that they, as most all religions, are what they say they are. Buddhist are Buddhist, Jews are Jews etc. Mormons have taken the story of Christ and twisted it, added to it things never remotely intended and then portray themselves now days not just as another Christian group, but a ‘better one”. Sorry I have issues with that. It would be the same as if Hindus blended Jesus into their beliefs and started to say they were Christians.
Other than that...
This one says it is ‘open.’ Pinging the religion mod, but I believe that means it is a free-for-all theological fight. Ecumenical and prayer are protected as if you are in Church. I dislike the Mormon bashing as much as most of us, but a good theological fight is sometimes good to strengthen positions.
So you want to censor FREE Republic?
Thomas Jefferson said, "it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God . It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
Sometimes it not only picks your pocket, but breaks your legs. Are you also against any discussion of the doctrines of Islam on this forum? How about a discussion of Secularism? Should those be off limits as well?
I am hitting the "abuse" button on this one.
Fire away.
On all threads, but particularly “open” threads, posters must never “make it personal.” Reading minds and attributing motives are forms of “making it personal.” Making a thread “about” another Freeper is “making it personal.”
When in doubt, review your use of the pronoun “you” before hitting “enter.”
Like the Smoky Backroom, the conversation may be offensive to some.
Thin-skinned posters will be booted from “open” threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters.
Don't we all to some sense? How many Southern Baptists did this with Hucabee?
Secondly, and here is the big issue. In your analogy you mentioned Buddhist. The thing about them is that they, as most all religions, are what they say they are. Buddhist are Buddhist, Jews are Jews etc. Mormons have taken the story of Christ and twisted it, added to it things never remotely intended and then portray themselves now days not just as another Christian group, but a ‘better one”. Sorry I have issues with that. It would be the same as if Hindus blended Jesus into their beliefs and started to say they were Christians.
Jews see Christians as initially twisting their religion and creating a false religion from their own. Christians and Jews both see Islam as twisting their religion. Buddhism has a common root with Hinduism and Taoism and some Hindus see it as a bastard offspring.
Not saying there shouldn't be debate, it is good for all positions to fight it out sometimes. We just need to remember that on 99% of fights, we are on the same side.
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Do you mean any "other" religion's specific beliefs? As your statement stands, the religion forum would have to be discontinued.
So if someone from the outside see’s it this way, simplify it.
Jesus Loves you and wants relationship with you.
You are seperated from him because you dont choose him.
He is all powerful and could force you, but that isnt Love is it? Thats slavery.
Seperation from God is Hell. You are there right now.
He is TRYING to save you and holding out his hand, and you are too stubborn or afraid to tell him you need him.
We’ve all been there, and I sure hope you change becuase its too late to make a choice.
>>>People only need to read Mark Twain’s “Roughing It” to understand the absolute ridiculousness of this extremely moronic cult.
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A depraved cult, indeed!
You THINK wrong.
When I was a Mormon I was taught that "The Heavenly Father" once lived on an earth such as this one and that through obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel (on his planet and in heaven) he was exalted to the point where he was made into a god and was given the earth to populate with his spiritual children.
The people quoted in this article are not referring to Jesus. Jesus is a different being from the Heavenly Father. Mormonism taught me that Jesus is the LITERAL son of the Father and that we are also literal spiritual sons and daughters of the Father and a "Heavenly Mother" (who likely was one of several wives of the Heavenly Father). IOW while there is only one Heavenly Father for us here, there may be many many Heavenly Mothers (provided these women were sealed to the Father in some kind of Temple ordinance).
Yes it is that weird.
And they are eqaully guilty of such, but it is the extent that is in question, as well as the attitude and organization.
Jews see Christians as initially twisting their religion and creating a false religion from their own...
Yet we do not refer to ourselves as Jews after doing so...
There is a lot in a name.
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I did not say "other."
I did say "specific."
An article about Jews' belief in the Torah might be quite interesting to me.
But a thread saying that Jews are "morons" for believing in the Torah would be quite useless, and has no place on Free Republic.
The word "Free" modifies "Republic," indicating the kind of nation we should be working toward.
"Free" does not mean "license" to say or do whatever we please, even if it harms or offends others.
Many people are quick to yell "Censorship! Censorship!" the instant anyone points out their rude, anti-social behavior.
No, the religion forum would not have to be discontinued at all. It is quite possible to discuss religion without attacking people for a specific belief. This particular article is a thinly-veiled attack, nothing more.
Shall we have threads calling Seventh-day Aventists "stupid" and not Christians, because they believe in worshipping on a different day than Baptists and Lutherans do?
Religious discussion is one thing. Sneaky attacks are another.
It’s a long article in a large bold font, with a clear title.
Not very sneaky if you ask me...
Did you read the article? Where in the article is there anything "rude"? The article simply points out the historical teachings of the Mormon Church and asks the question as to how the Mormons can reconcile their historic teachings with the statements of their last "Prophet" Gordon Hinkley.
Are you a Mormon? Would you care to try to reconcile those positions?
Or are you simply a bitter censor who would like to see all doctrinal discussions removed from this forum?
With the Mitt folks it was ignored and we were branded as fools and bigots for having the temerity to question his great conservative credentials (that did not prove out via his ignored record...)
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