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Mormons told to avoid faith-related arguments
The Salt Lake Tribune ^
| October 5, 2008
| Peggy Fletcher Stack
Posted on 10/06/2008 10:58:58 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Notoriously Conservative
I dont believe that the snippets you have taken represent the views of the Mormon Church. The last time I checked, pronouncements made by the President of the LDS Church did indeed represent its views.
I strongly encourage to check the references and see if I am misquoting the Prophets. If I am, I will gladly issue the appropriate retractions and apologies.
Mormons consider themselves Christian.
As per the above listed quotations, your early church leaders, including both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, clearly disagree.
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posted on
10/06/2008 2:44:18 PM PDT
by
Zakeet
(Crime wouldn't pay if the government ran it)
To: Zakeet
Hard to blame the leaders for distancing themselves from the people trying to kill them. As far as my snippets comment, I don’t beleive you can take two isolated quotes, and apply it to the church as a whole, especially when the modern day prophets of the Mormon Church have said that the Mormon faith is indeed Christian. I do not argue that you misquote them, simply that contexually the quotes are misconstrued. Anyway, I don’t want to keep discussing the subject. Whether or not you, or anyone else considers Mormons to be Christian is of little consequence to Mormons. They believe in Christ, and he is centeral to their lives.
To: Notoriously Conservative
As far as my snippets comment, I dont beleive you can take two isolated quotes, and apply it to the church as a whole. Actually, there were 17 quotes in my reply and 41 quotes on the source I provided.
And I didn't apply them to the church as a whole. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did!
Modern day prophets of the Mormon Church have said that the Mormon faith is indeed Christian.
Indeed they have. And this is merely one of dozens of key LDS doctrinal changes. Which raises an interesting question: Which LDS Prophet do you believe and when?
[Mormons are Christian because] they believe in Christ, and he is central to their lives.
You can call yourself a tree, but that doesn't make you a tree.
My opinion on the subject doesn't matter, and neither does yours. Only Christ decides who are sheep and goats at the final judgment.
Because this is such a critical issue, and because you are obviously an intelligent person who believes in an afterlife and wants to enjoy the pleasure of heaven and avoid the torment of hell, I strongly recommend you check out Were Christians Just Like You for a seriously abbreviated list of some of the fundamental differences between Mormonism and Biblical Christianity.
And I recommend you do this immediately, before it is too late.
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posted on
10/06/2008 3:50:16 PM PDT
by
Zakeet
(Crime wouldn't pay if the government ran it)
To: Zakeet
“Comparing wedding choices to shopping, Nelson said, “Some marital options are cheap; some are costly; and some are cunningly crafted by the adversary. Beware of his options. They always breed misery.”
There is only one state of marriage. Anything else is not an option—it’s either a fake or a delusion.
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posted on
10/06/2008 4:11:33 PM PDT
by
ViLaLuz
(2 Chronicles 7:14)
To: Zakeet
Calumny, lies, and misrepresentation have attempted to defame. But in every decade . . . the truth of God has gone forth boldly." Yup!
The Mormon web is being swept away by the Internet: Thanks Al!
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posted on
10/06/2008 5:54:25 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Zakeet
Nelson said, adding emphatically, "Marriage between a man and a woman is sacred - it is ordained of God. . . ....and a woman, and a woman, and a woman, and a woman, and a woman...
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posted on
10/06/2008 5:55:36 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: svcw
This line is humorous: Mormons should never respond with arrogance or hostility They'd better inform their professors in college about this new tack!
Timeline... Subject...
0:59 "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16 "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02 "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57 "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."
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posted on
10/06/2008 5:57:23 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: imjustme
For them to claim the men that were 'prophets' are still considered 'prophets' but dismissing some of their teachings/doctrine is part of the reason I left the church.
Surely NOT!!!!
TRUTH IGNORED
Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimball, Woodruff ...
1 Timothy 3:2-3
2. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
3. not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
1 Timothy 3:12
A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
Titus 1:6
An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
BEHOLD!!!! The Restorative Power of the Book of Mormon!!
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
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posted on
10/06/2008 5:58:31 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Burkean
The LDS Church has a long history of having current leaders pronouncements supercede previous leaders. Amen; Brother!
--MormonDude(I serve a changable GOD)
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posted on
10/06/2008 6:00:38 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Kevmo
I wonder if this means they wont be allowed to post threads on Free Republic.Oh, we can POST; we just can't reply...)
--MormonDude(I think that was what the memo said)
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posted on
10/06/2008 6:01:38 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Burkean
Knock-down drag-out arguments only exacerbate the gulf between them and mainstream Christianity ...
Not much to fight over; when you know what the BIBLE says...
KJV
Galatians 1:6-9
6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
ANYBODY???
Like this fine looking fellow???
2 Corinthians 11:12-15
12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Like THESE guys??
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
Ephesians 2:1-2
1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
1 Corinthians 4:17
For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
1 Corinthians 11:2
Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
2 Timothy 1:13
Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 3:14-15
14. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15. And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
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posted on
10/06/2008 6:03:41 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Notoriously Conservative
I don't think Christ wants us bashing the faith of other people, or trying to demean someone elses beliefs or religion. It is NOT 'bashing' or 'demeaning' to point out things that are NOT Biblically correct.
MORMONism is rife with examples.
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posted on
10/06/2008 6:05:19 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Notoriously Conservative
If you don't think Mormons are Christian, fine you are more than welcome to your views, but you will never persuade a Mormon that they are not. HMmmm...
Must be something ELSE that has changed thru the years!
What is a Christian?
"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 270
"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60
"Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 6, p. 176
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 199
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent."
- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 255
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posted on
10/06/2008 6:06:35 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Notoriously Conservative
In fact, I am not interested in hearing negativity about any Christian, or non Christian Church. So; you POSITIVELY will NOT open your mind to the FACT of the things said by your past leaders.
OK then.
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posted on
10/06/2008 6:08:00 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Notoriously Conservative
God bless all those with religion in their lives, and the desire to be better people.Allah be praised!!
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posted on
10/06/2008 6:08:39 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
People, I just want to say, you know,
can we all get along? Can we get along?
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posted on
10/06/2008 6:26:53 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
But you’re assuming someone has reasonable proof that the Bible in infallable. I’ve never seen it. It’s all based on a big dose of faith in whatever way one chooses to swing.
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posted on
10/06/2008 7:43:01 PM PDT
by
Burkean
To: Zakeet
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posted on
10/06/2008 8:12:40 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
To: Elsie
Oh, we can POST; we just can’t reply...)
***So that makes the mormons a whole new set of trolls. Post & run freepers, that’s all we need /s
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posted on
10/06/2008 8:24:40 PM PDT
by
Kevmo
(McCain's learning from Palin how to win a national election. Palin's learning from him how to lose 1)
To: Elsie
I almost had soda coming out of my nose from laughing so hard at your post!
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posted on
10/07/2008 2:24:19 AM PDT
by
imjustme
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