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Posted on 06/23/2008 3:05:46 PM PDT by betty boop
The more people who get this one, the better. The waters of the flood were extra-terrestrial in nature and the basic volume of water on our planet was greatly increased by the flood. There was a very recent age (Hypsothermal or late Holocene climate optimum) which was much hotter than the present age and which corresponds roughly with the “golden age” of classical literature and the reason Plato and others referred to that as a “golden age” instead of the age when everybody drowned was that it was before the flood and there simply was not as much water. If such an age were to recur now, the beach front could be in Kentucky somewhere.
I have not read about these cities in American Antiquity or even Latin American Antiquity. More fringe stuff that all the kooks have heard about but none of the archaeologists?
Turned out he was more nearly right the first time.
As for Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene" is #714 at Amazon after thirty years, selling for $10.85 in paperback.
Behe's "Edge of Evolution is #10,635 after one year and selling for $6.99 in hardback.
If the areas we are living on were that high at that time, the of course there would be a dearth of evidence. Archaeologists would be digging in the wrong places. And then they claim the Bible is wrong because they didn’t find evidence for a flood.
How convenient. Dig where there’s not likely to be much or any evidence of a flood and then claim that that’s proof that it never happened.
You're grasping at straws seeking some way, any way, for the global flood myth to be real. It isn't.
A global flood, by definition, covered the entire globe. Biblical scholars even tell us when it occurred, about 4,350 years ago. But that age is only a third of the age since the last ice age (4,350 years vs. some 12,000+ years). The vast majority of the post-glacial sea level rise had occurred prior to that date. (Your straw has blown away in the wind.)
The desperate searching of the flood believers for some corner to hold the evidence is getting ridiculous. Whenever science looks in one place, we are told, "No, its over there!" When we look "over there" its somewhere else again. The evidence is always "Just over there if you'd only look." (There's better evidence for the Easter Bunny; at least there are all those chocolate eggs every spring.)
The global flood as described in the Bible would be the most obvious and easily found event in history. That nobody (except TRVE believers) can find evidence of that event surely must convince any rational individual that something is wrong with the original story.
You're mixing up a lot of different, unrelated things here.
The late Holocene is the past several thousand years (the last 4000-5000 years or so).
The closest I can find to a late Holocene climate optimum is the Medieval climate optimum, from about A.D. 800-1300. But that is clearly not what you are referring to.
There is something called a Holocene climate optimum, Antev's old Altithermal, that is also called the Hypsithermal. It occurred during the the mid-Holocene. It was a warmer period, and is generally dated to about 8000-5000 years ago (it varies with area). It was warmer and drier during that period, and there is no reason to expect that there was any flood. In fact, that's when many of the post-glacial lakes in the American west dried up. (I dealt with this period for a number of pages in my Ph.D. dissertation.)
Neither of these "optimums" corresponds with the "golden age" of classical literature or Plato.
Nor is there any scientific evidence for extraterrestrial waters, or waters of any kind, flooding the earth.
You need to check your facts better. You are just throwing random bits of information about as if they meant something. Anyone who knows a bit of prehistory or archaeology can see that they does not.
Now it's supposed to be MY fault if you don't keep up??
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Your image is from the coast of Japan. Last time I studied geography, Japan was not part of the Americas.
”You started this by implying that non-Christians are more evil than Christians.”
Not even close. The proposition, as expressed by Soliton, was that “Muslims are just as likely to be right as the Jews and Christians,” relative to a dispute between betty boop and Coyoteman over some of the philosophical elements of ultimate reality (“But what if the world really isn’t that way, Coyoteman?”). I took exception to Soliton’s hypothesis, proposing an examination of 1,400 years of “experiments” which might help us determine who might be “right” (or at least more right) about this aspect of ultimate reality. That’s a brief and sloppy summation. If you would like a more complete view, you can start at msg #447 and work forward and backwards from there. Not that I think you have the least interest.
It was at this point that you chose to jump in with your habitual scripted attacks on Christians, like a drunken cowboy shooting up a town on Saturday night.
It’s not likely that anyone will argue with you that “ignorant, bigoted assholes are bad.” It’s just that you seem to believe that every Christian is like that. If that’s not correct, then I must say that you’ve kept your real feelings cleverly hidden.
My wife doesn't think so about twice a month
js utters a theological observation (!), but then breaks his own standard of speaking only about those churches which he knows first hand . . . can’t permit any credit to go to a Christian, much less a whole building of them. Do you ever listen to yourself!?
”Now that Jim Crow is gone for the law, Northern cities seem (to me) to have a bigger race problem than Southern cities.”
Why am I not surprised at this remark?
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Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Do you ever lighten up? I took “potty language” and diffused it in an effort to encourage comity. What would Jesus do?
Illumination is what allows us to go from mere true belief to knowledge. Illumination provides justification. - See St. Augustine
Sorry. I looked at the thread title and didn’t realize it was the religion forum. I don’t usually post here.
I generally look for updates on the megaliths off Cuba by doing google searches on the three terms 'cuba', 'city', and 'zelitsky', the last name being that of one of the Russian researchers investigating the ruins.
I thought the discussion was directed toward human cities.
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